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To: Greg or e who wrote (5612)	2/13/2001 2:45:39 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Didn't slavery and genocide happen with God's blessing, and on occasion his direction in the bible? I don't take my believes against the two from that book. Nor find it less repugnant than many, I don't imagine. I think it is more progressive to come to those believes based on our own thoughts and hearts, than on what another being, even if it is a God, tells us.

To: Greg or e who wrote (5612)	2/13/2001 2:49:03 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

You have pointed out an interesting paradox of some -- many? -- of the "liberals" who post on the liberal boards of SI. They tend to have little true understanding of liberal principles. Poet and I, for example, are sort of engaged in a PM dialogue in which she, though the moderator of the LWP thread, takes a position which I consider to be diametrically opposed to the core values of liberalism. I think this reflects a major change in liberalism over the past perhaps 30 years. Classical liberalism -- the liberalis, of Stevenson, Humphrey, King, even Kennedy -- was based on justice, dignity, the worth of the individual, responsibility toward the less fortunate, and other core values. But over the years liberalism got co-opted by special interests, particularly feminism. Back in the days when the New Republic was a genuine liberal voice, for example, there was a thought-provoking article on why liberals should be pro-life. It was instantly attacked not for the values it espoused but because it was seen as anti-feminist. This is only one example of many in which classical liberalism has been distorted almost out of recognition. (Affirmative action, for example, is anathema to liberalism, but is beloved of contemporary "liberals.") It is ironic that some "conservatives" today are more attuned with liberal values than some liberals.

To: Greg or e who wrote (5612)	2/13/2001 2:58:21 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

It is ironic though.. It is ironic, as well, that the religious ones so often demonstrate a lack of brotherly love, charity, and simple decency. I would say there's a lesson in here somewhere about individual variation within groups, about the stubborn tenacity of our lower instincts, about the pitfalls of making judgments based on limited evidence, about the shortcomings of this particular medium as a forum for dialog... Karen