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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: cosmicforce who wrote (6074)	2/19/2001 11:38:13 AM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Greg, you don't normally take the easy way out. If people that support a particular position don't see the irony in their inconsistent actions, then their theory (whether superior or not) isn't very compelling. It starts to sound of hypocrisy. A hypocrite can still be right. The argument is less compelling if the main source of it being compelling in the first place is based on the authority of the person making the argument. The argument from authority is weakened but the rest of the argument does indeed stand on its own merit. Further more perceived inconsistences are not always true inconsistencies let alone hypocrisy. You would have to examine each individuals's actions and beliefs in great detail to see if they where really inconsistent. Tim

To: cosmicforce who wrote (6074)	2/20/2001 11:40:17 AM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Good morning Cos. I have not been avoiding your question, my sever has been down for several days. It's been very frustrating, it was a long weekend here, and I guess they were all gone away. All was not lost however, I won a four-hundred dollar fishing rod in a casting competition yesterday. :-) As to your question. Flat out, I doubt I would pull the trigger on anybody. I believe that God is the one that determines the time of a persons death. Many people feel they are about to die but are not actually mortally wounded. How would you feel if you shot your friend and then the doctor says, "Oh we could have saved him. It was just a messy flesh wound". Unless you are a doctor, how could you make an informed choice? But let's grant you your premiss, that death is immanent. I would stay with that person, I would comfort them, I would pray for them, and basically do everything I could to ease their suffering, but I would not kill them. My big problem with this whole so called, Death with dignity thing, is that the right to end someone's life, is open to all sorts of abuse. If your relatives stand to inherit money, or if your treatment is very costly, or if you have somehow, slipped down on the famous "sliding scale of person-hood" then the "Right" to die, can soon become an "Obligation" to die. This has happened in the Netherlands were this was first implemented. Interesting to note that it was recently discovered that most of Kavorkian's victims were not terminal. Compassion my ass, that guy is a psycho killer. I got a call from my Dad last night, and it seems my stepmother, who is dying of cancer, may have to have some of her lower limbs amputated, due to a loss of circulation, caused by the tumor. She is in a lot of pain, and she has to take a great deal of expensive meds. My Dad can't work, and the bills are piling up. All that and yet I have seen the most incredible transformation of Spirit in those two, as a direct result of having to go through all this. Suffering can sometimes be redemptive, at least it has been in this case. Have a good day. Greg