To: hmaly who wrote (133031 ) 2/17/2001 2:17:34 PM From: combjelly Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1570478 " or it could have been that most people don't think of driving tickets as an arrest." Very weak. To be pulled over for DUI or DWI and to forger it seems rather odd. Your story about being in jail for 3 hours and not considering it an arrest seems odd too. But I guess for some people being thrown in jail is an expected event in their lives. "Note that your original question states "find any connection"" Hair splitting. I also mentioned that he was a Democrat. Him being a delegate to some unspecified convention just means he was a bit more active than most, it does not prove some tenuous connection to the Gore campaign any more than any other Democrat. "GW wasn't trying to mislead the public with that statement, Al was." Bovine metabolic waste, again. What does using it in the campaign have anything to do with the price of tea in China? Smirk made a public statement that wasn't true, and you are claiming that because it wasn't part of a campaign it wasn't a lie? Does it depend on what your definition of 'is' is? "Whoa, not so fast here, yea who speaks with forked tongue." So far the only twisting of words is done by you. I guess this is a case of projection, since you are twisting things around you feel I must be also. Check your own tongue in the mirror. "You have yet to prove Al wasn't indeed outraising Gw 2-1." No I don't. The phrase used in the debates was spending, that is what I have been talking about. Now you might want to talk about something different, just say so if that is the case. "Once again you are mixing campaign contributions up with soft money." Good point, I did confuse the two. So it may be that Smirk didn't have a clue what he was talking about when he said that Gore was outspending him 2 to 1 in soft money. So I guess you want to claim he was merely mistaken instead of lying. So you are saying that we have a President that makes flat statements in public about things he doesn't know anything about. And you are comfortable with that? "And calling raising money the same as spending money isn't a spin?" I mixed it up once. You, however, have consistently mixed the two, either deliberately or not. "To claim being an active member of the democratic party isn't in anyway connected to aL's campaign isn't a spin?" I do say it isn't proof. Just like passing a drug test doesn't prove a person doesn't use drugs. If you find a memo or even a long distance phone call to or from someone connected to the Gore campaign and that guy, that would be proof. You might as well claim that just because he was in the country during the campaign he is indirectly tied to the Gore campaign. This is just a stretch. "What are they; outright lies?" Projection again. "By claiming that raising is the same as spending, you are claiming that GW is lying." Your claim, not mine. "By claiming that anyone should remember back 24 yrs, when you yourself can't remember back 2 hrs, isn't that at least hyprocrisy if not lying? You have not proved that GW was indeed lying with those statements, but you have solace in the fact that you seem to have proven yourself a liar and hypocrite." Have you looked in a mirror? You mis-read, twist, spin and otherwise distort things and then claim that someone else is a lying hypocrite? No wonder you think Smirk is honest, you are cut from the same cloth. I guess you will go to any length to defend a man who shouldn't need it if he were actually honest. The only way you have raised any sort of defense is to claim that he doesn't lie more than any other politician, or to twist what I posted and then claimed it was wrong. Oh yeah, you also rely on Smirk being too dumb, or jaded to realize he was was arrested. Given the lack of character you have displayed in this discussion, i guess it is no surprise you support him, you identify too well with the Lying Weasel. Good luck to you, I hope I never have any dealings with you in the future. I like to be able to trust people.