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To: Joe NYC who wrote (127706)	2/17/2001 8:01:32 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 186894

Re: "It is interesting to see how the roles have switched, and how Intel is now the desperate company, pulling those tricks" There is much confusion here. Intel isn't playing any tricks. Scumbria was confusing tjC with tcase. Intel was specing P4 at 72 deg C case temp while AMD is now specing Athlon at 95C die temp. It is unclear how the customer is supposed to determine the die temp unless AMD provides some sort of thermal diode sensing which the system can monitor. In any event, Scumbria was claiming (incorrectly) that Intel, by lowering the tjC to 70C, was overclocking the device and thus by implication risking reliability problems. In fact he had it backwards twice. (1)Intel was specing the case temp, not the tjC and (2)even if they were talking about tjC, by lowering the tjC spec Intel would be increasing reliability, not lowering it. How could Intel lower the tjC while increasing the frequency and voltage? It's a function of the physics, not the datasheet. They would have to raise it, or by lowering the case temp they would wick the heat away faster.

To: Joe NYC who wrote (127706)	2/17/2001 8:55:46 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Joe - re: "I don't recall the details, but I gladly take your word for it. During the K6 days, AMD was a desperate company, trying every desperate measure. It is interesting to see how the roles have switched, and how Intel is now the desperate company, pulling those tricks." Then how do you explain AMD using 1.75 - 1.85 volts just to get to 1.2 GHz on their ThumperTurds? Is that a TRICK for AMD? Is AMD desperate? Your logic would dictate that AMD is tricky and desperate - just like Intel. By the way - why did Six-Figure-Hector fail to deliver ANY NEW CPUS between Nov. 15 and Feb. 15 - as he promised? Is something wrong at AMD? Paul