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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TimF who wrote (6494)	2/27/2001 10:34:41 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Well, Twofowler, you are setting the bar a bit high for a bulletin board flurry of interchanges--that I am not allowed to add some related feeling/ideas to a subset interchange. However, I take that as a compliment. Your argument was technically correct. Sorry. As to your unwillingness to allow the argument into the arena where the rules of logic can demonstate my points of inconsistencies that would necessarily obtain from the fetus (as a person) using a body, and any other person using a body--well you have simply stepped around that issue time and time again, and, frankly, I am tired of trying to force it on you. If you want to know what gives a fetus rights I would say the fact that it is a member of the human race This is more of the same. That means no more to me than if you said a rock was a member of the human race and had rights, or that a running shoe or a condom was a member of the human race and had rights. It tells me nothing. It alows me nothing to argue against or for. If the reason a fetus has rights is because you say that "it is a member of the human race" then I see litle point in countering your explanation with "is not" or "does not". What would be the point? If your whole argument is based on an axiom that you take as self evident, that ends the discussion. The fetus is property and has no RIGHTS. This is recognized in extreme cases when push comes to shove. I have already shown you how any concept of fetal RIGHTS negates the mother's RIGHTS. The fetus has privileges--the privileges of being loved and wanted and potentially becoming a person. If you have to juggle with rights, then you are juggling something else, and the next juggler might drop all the balls. You don't juggle RIGHTS. You juggle...whatever it is you are juggling. You also seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you on this issue is automatically illogical It might seem that way, but it is not. When people are attempting to probe and assess for sincerity and intent, they have their own individual styles of sparring.