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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (72612)	2/27/2001 7:48:49 PM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 436258

>>The notion that these programs should become items of charity and pity from an ever more self absorbed general population and a ruthlessly selfish upper crust is abhorrent to me.<< My conservative head is spinning from trying to decode this liberal-speak. If these programs aren't charity, what are they?

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (72612)	2/28/2001 1:02:40 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

I don't really want to take this to PM. If we must, we must, but I would rather keep the debate public, if we can. I would like to reiterate that this isn't about charity, in my opinion. I hope we can discuss this with respect for each other in public.

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (72612)	2/28/2001 2:54:41 AM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

<The notion that these programs should become items of charity and pity from an ever more self absorbed general population and a ruthlessly selfish upper crust is abhorrent to me. > AS is the notion that charity and pity have been swept under the rug and out of our line of vision by a swipe of the pen so as to make us all feel better regardless of real results. Heaven forbid we should have to actually DO something for anyone. DAK