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To: Les H who wrote (75182)	3/4/2001 11:23:13 AM
From: Don Lloyd	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

Les - The federal government is creating this mess. They're deliberately trying to import bodies for cheap labor and to try bring in more bodies to improve the worker-to-retiree ratio in the coming years as the boomers enter SS age. ... You've got the intent wrong. The real purposes are primarily to create a client dependent underclass, illegal Democratic unskilled voters and servant employee problems for Republican nominees. -g- Regards, Don

To: Les H who wrote (75182)	3/4/2001 11:50:19 AM
From: flatsville	Respond to of 436258

Les- I have no problem with a more restrictive immigration policy to mitigate obligations on the social welfare system. What this claim that "immigration is to blame" doesn't explain away is why states with relatively low immigration rates continually screw up their legal social obligations and are now cheating their citizens moving from welfare to work by failing to disperse dollars already allocated to them for that purpose.

To: Les H who wrote (75182)	3/4/2001 12:10:14 PM
From: portage	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 436258

Les, renters don't contribute to local property tax ? Who are you kidding ? The landlords pass it through to renters and then some. There's also little denying that the lower cost of those fancy meals, well clipped lawns, weekly house cleanings, and cost of food in the grocery store have reduced the inflationary impact of these services due to the cheaper labor from the immigrant supply. I see a lot of the young adult immigrants who didn't go through our primary school system going to night school around here after a day of serious physical work, trying to better their lot by taking English and other classes that will help them get by. These guys work hard, they don't sit around like us and post messages on the internet all day. They sure don't earn what they deserve in many cases. Ever tried a day of backbreaking work in the hot Central Valley sun ? How about a month or a year or two of it ? The more egregious problem was the families who brought in their elderly parents and put them on assistance, after they had agreed to support them if they came over, because they were too old to work. That said, I won't argue that immigration policies aren't a difficult problem, and limits are definitely needed -- but in California it's agribusiness and other employers who push the hardest to lay off it. Maybe we should get them to contribute more to our educational system. On the other hand, I fully expect a return to the racist fearmongering that Pete Wilson perfected here during the last recession, when the next downturn hits.