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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: one_less who wrote (8039)	3/8/2001 2:02:37 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

That's not what I was saying. People frequently make judgements about things where they aren't a party (like gay marriage or union). To me, it is so patently obvious that NO ONE has a stake in this union except them. They aren't doing anything to you. If your union is protected by law and you deny that to them, your judgement of what is and isn't a marriage is doing something TO them. That is wrong. In the case of the break-ins, there are clearly judgements that can be reasonably made by the store owner (and society) about them. They are doing something to him. Most laws are about restricting harm others can do to you. That is fine. But if someone is speeding and no one is around, that is also fine with me. The enforcement becomes the de facto judgement because obviously someone was around (the policeman with the radar gun).

To: one_less who wrote (8039)	3/8/2001 3:17:15 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

However, refusing to use judgement of any kind is poor judgement and leads to greater harm being done. . Brees. One more time. I have been talking about making a judgment on when to intervene and when to MYOB. You're talking about judging actual behavior right and wrong. Two different things. I must insist that it's hard to know when a neighbor or a schoolmate is just talking and when there's a danger. Let me give you a real-life anecdote--something that happened to me when I was a freshman in college. One day I was called to the dean's office and found my parents sitting there. The school had called my poor, simple parents across a couple of states in the middle of the workweek from jobs that had no paid vacation because...drum roll please....my dorm counselor had heard me say "I'm going to kill myself." As in "I got a B on the English test, I'm..." Or as in "Joe invited Suzy to the party, I'm..." Or as in "I can't find by blue socks, I'm..." It was just an expression--a stupid expression, I acknowledge--but still just a common expression very much in vogue at that time and in that place. Like peppering your sentences with "you know" nowadays. Anyway, the dean agreed that I could stay in school as long as I saw a shrink. My parents couldn't afford that so they found someone at a local clinic. I went three or four times, I think, before the guy scratched his head, signed off on me, and it was all over. All over but my anger and sense of betrayal that they had upset my parents that way and not even bothered to investigate a bit first. I understood that they had to protect the school and me, but even 40 years later I think their decision to intervene as dramatically as they did was very poor judgment. And I don't expect your typical high school kid to be better equipped than a college dean to make that judgment. Karen