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To: cosmicforce who wrote (8111)	3/9/2001 11:49:47 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

Here's a tidbit from the NYT that you might find interesting. Dr. Peacocke has written several books on science and religion, among them "Paths From Science Towards God," to be published in April by Oneworld, a British publisher. In it, he argues that scientific discoveries open "fresh vistas on God for human perception and life" and that Christian theology ought to welcome such challenges as vital stimulation for theology itself. Indeed, he writes, if Christianity is to be more evangelical and its belief system widely respected as "a vehicle of public truth," churches will have to be open to an understanding of the world as shaped by science. In an interview, Dr. Peacocke said he regarded science and religion as intertwined. "One strand is the search for intelligibility," he said of science. "The other strand is the search for meaning." He said he viewed discoveries related to biological evolution as a boon to religious belief, not a threat. What Darwin put forward and others have elaborated on, he said, allows believers to argue that God is a continuing, intimately involved presence in the world's progressing creation. That, he said, counters a belief common among the deists of an earlier era that God, having created the world, then had no more to do with it. March 9, 2001 Religion Prize Won by Priest Much Involved With Science By GUSTAV NIEBUHR nytimes.com

To: cosmicforce who wrote (8111)	3/12/2001 8:43:19 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Endangered List Faces New Peril Impasse Over How to Protect Leaves Some Species at Risk washingtonpost.com <snip> "This is an economic struggle; it's also a religious struggle," said American Land Rights Association Director Chuck Cushman, who has led a crusade of sorts to keep John Turner, a moderate former Fish and Wildlife director, out of the Bush administration. "Conservation has become a kind of paganism that worships trees at the expense of people. We as a society have to decide who's more important." <snip>

To: cosmicforce who wrote (8111)	3/13/2001 9:16:52 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

if the last instant of you life's conscious existence became timeless (in the sense that the passage of time was not relevant) then consciousness after death was possible because it no longer required physical changes. Hey, CF~ I've tried to understand this in the context of the article. I'm still not sure. This would not be self aware consciousness, right? It seems to me that change is implicit in consciousness. At least, consciousness that had any awareness of either self or other would imply change. By self or other, I mean also--this or that. The awareness of this or that requires a shift. If consciousness was only this, then presumably it would be this--but how would it recognize it without a shift or change in energy? If consciousness had no such awareness...what would it be?