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To: TraderXx who wrote (6273)3/10/2001 5:43:49 PM
From: Jenna  Respond to of 6445
 
<font color=green>&#9658; The Long and the Short of It


TraderXx..We are just chameleons, we go with the trend and its the fundamental analysis of the tech sector in September and the realization that they could NEVER have sustained multiples. Investors were buying tech stocks by the boat load at higher highs and running them up. Those are the facts and the analysts, money managers, brokerages were fanning the flames by raising the price targets to idiotic proportions.

I have gotten scores and scores of e-mail from INVESTORS that wished they had listened to threads like ours (and of course others) that were insisting the valuations were too high. I also have a few dozen letters of those that 'ridiculed' for DARING to attack the valuations of JDSU, BRCM, BRCD, BEAS, NTAP, PMCS, SDLI, MCDT, NTIQ, IWOV, EPNY, and at least 2 dozens stock altogether. We have the posts, we have the e-mail, those are the facts. We have SIMILAR posts in the March RIGHT before the April when the INTERNET era collapsed.. We have those posts as well.

Some posters and threaders spent weeks, and months touting a small number of technology stocks ad nauseum and getting some followers to buy these PUMP schemes.. This was NOT a PUMP and DUMP scheme. They just were either enamored with the company and didn't even check the see if the fundamentals of the company made them worthy of this adulation. The PUMPERS lost their shirts also. Just TOO MUCH PUMPING. They pumped and we questioned and started shorting.

The trend change developing at the time was VERY CLEAR. Investors, ignited by the soaring stock prices, wanting to get more and more (and there is nothing wrong with that) but if they had read some of the contrarian opinions at that time they would have avoided this mess.

I just bought for the swing and very short term position trade. MYSELF AND OTHERS ON THIS THREAD WERE SAYING THAT THEY LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE SATIATED. I have all the posts while at the same times threads, analysts, financial articles were touting the "strength and bullishness of the tech sector".. I smile now because I have the posts, and I have some articles from other contrarians at the time, which I saved as well. Probably will put them all together (with posts from other threads) as a compendium and analysis of the entire last 7-8 months.

We were able not only to overcome that 6 months of famine after the 6 months of feast, but we enjoyed BOTH THE FEAST and FAMINE.. because we went long the FEAST and went SHORT the FAMINE. That is the reason we succeeded so well and why I'm a happy camper. But we did give our posts, over hundreds of them, during the last 6 months about the BLIMPS the valuations, our shorting etc. Those that DID well during these last 6 months DO NOT NEED TO APOLOGIZE, FEEL anything but gratitude they did the right thing. There were a lot of us that DID the right thing, and yes we were rewarded handsomely, but we did SHARE our warnings WITH EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD. Not only that but we gave STOCK names, price targets, daily, weekly and even hourly.. What were the others threads doing.... BUY, BUY, BUY BUY.. touting stocks like CS, CA, JDSU, BEAS,SDLI, PMCS, GLW, EPNY,

So its not unusual for nerves to be frayed, support groups to form and people tempers flare. Its what happens when financial distress hits. Its denial, its regret, its a whole lot of things.

TraderXx, I can't speak for all regulars we have way so many great posts daily. But if you take a look at David, and Lane's and my posts, we are hoping against hope and giving techs and the market so much leeway and no one is saying the nasdaq is over. All we are saying is like we are forced to be daytraders because traders and (who knows who else really) are selling the strength. Its a herd fear, but they have reason to fear. And frustration and fear can have dire effects on the psyche, and we have seen that as well.

Its ironic the same groups that were TOUTING the techs when we were warning, are now embittered at those were able to short successfully. People get rewarded when they make the right decisions and might lose when they make the wrong ones, that is the way of world. That is why we take lessons from the past, as I saw from the internet sector, seeing an almost exact parallel and pattern emerging. I'm sure there were thousands of people that profited from the short side. There was PLENTY of short shares around, and when the markets peaked, it was NOT THE TRADERS that were selling strength it was the investors that were panicking and trying to cut losses.

Of course afterwards the analysts started downgrading stocks that had gone from 3 digits back to the mid 30's and 20's but you didn't hear from them before that. So if there was a chance for a recovery, the downgrades was like giving a critically ill patient a swift kick in the head. IT WAS THESE DOWNGRADES AFTERWARD that was the last straw. Take it into account also that someone was HIGHERING ESTIMATES OF THESE COMPANIES, DURING THE TIME WHEN IT WAS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE POOR COMPANIES TO HAVE ANY CHANCE TO SUSTAIN THESE MULTIPLES AND THESE 50-75-100% INCREASES IN EPS going forward. (Remember how SEBL was doing so good until they admitted they COULD NOT SUSTAIN their growth levels)

In essence I once explained it like having Harvard charge you $1,000,000 for tuition saying well we are an elite establishment and in 10 years your son/daughter might be expected to earn this a year. You were paying 10 times what the stocks should have COST.

So as for us.. we will continue to try to add our little bit of insight and with all that has transpired in the last 4 years, we have done a pretty decent job! And its posters like yourself, Dave, Lane, Frederick Langford, Fallope, and others that give the trading and investing public a whole heck a lot of more excellent analysis, ideas and though provoking comment then those 'think tank' analysts.

I also want to add, that I think the shorters 'investigate' the companies a heck of a lot more than the traders going long which is ironic, because it should be equal.

I would not be that happy waiting for a tech folders to rise while others, who were shorting or even on the sidelines' were making good money. Waiting for this economy to improve is fine, but not while people have their money ALREADY INVESTED. I'm waiting also, but as 'tabula rasa' in cash and ready to take advantage of any trend change to the upside.

It is also ironic because its actually the traders (past shorters expecially) who have a lot to gain on the long side if the market moves up. Holding short positions overnight was getting riskier, but long positions would have been ideal because logically, there is more upside now than downside and we want to milk the long side. But there is NO LOGIC in this market at the present. Until some semblance of stability returns, I would not be long or short except a few put positions. WE will continue to post our ideas, analysis, chart patterns that work.. just as before.



To: TraderXx who wrote (6273)3/10/2001 6:37:01 PM
From: Jenna  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 6445
 
<font color=green> &#9658; AOL.. will have a triple top point

and figure breakout at 41 looks pretty shaky here.



To: TraderXx who wrote (6273)3/10/2001 6:39:18 PM
From: Jenna  Respond to of 6445
 
<font color=green>&#9658; VRTS will have a double top point & figure breakout at 56. By the way I use Technifilter for Windows just for point and figure breakouts and run the results into Telescan for more minute analysis.



To: TraderXx who wrote (6273)3/10/2001 9:08:47 PM
From: George McMeen  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 6445
 
Member Question's S.I.'s Judgement

David Smith has been a PeopleMark for me over the past 2+ years. I've found his postings insightful and truthful.
And actually, it was David's postings about ROBO that lead me to this thread which I have read from time to time.

What has prompted me to post (after years of reading/not posting) - is something David wrote recently on his newly created "Let's Get At The Truth" thread. David questions whether S.I. has "sold out" - by letting "for profit" firms use the site as a staging site for their own means.

Seeing all the references to www.marketgems.com in the original post (each time I read the thread), I can't see how S.I. can see it anything else but a giant solicitation.

If S.I. has ex-communicated Tim Luke from its membership for touting his triggers, then why hasn't the same rule been applied here.

Steve Yamner on the "From the Trading Desk" has sometimes in distant past replied to questions regarding his firm or being filled at horrible spreads by broker selling order flow with suggesting that the person that posted call him the next day for help in opening an account.

While it seems S.I. treats solicitation as a grey area, I have to side with David that S.I. has totally blundered with respect to the marketgems issue.

To have sided with a commercial entity at the cost of one of our most insightful and informative posters was not the smartest thing to do. I can only hope David chooses to stay and that in the future, S.I. cleans up its act before the "S." is known for something other than Silicon.

George



To: TraderXx who wrote (6273)3/11/2001 5:46:36 AM
From: lee kramer  Respond to of 6445
 
TraderXx: Good, thoughtful post. I disagree with some of it, but clearly you've got a good sense of "market" history and the extreme swings of the market pendulum. I don't have the knowledge to evaluate tech companies so my style has to be different than yours; I rarely hold a stock overnight...though more that a year ago I would not hesitate to hold overnight. From 2-5 day "swing trades" the market has forced me to a shorter time frame. I'm sure this will eventually change, I just don't know when. I hope you're right, and soon.



To: TraderXx who wrote (6273)3/11/2001 9:16:32 AM
From: John Curtis  Respond to of 6445
 
TraderXx, et.al.: A great thread I've quietly lurked on for some time. TraderXx, Jenna, et.al.'s points are well taken. It comes to this. History is cyclical, both at a macro and micro level. One is wise to understand and learn from this basic fact. I can't tell you how many times this understanding has saved my arse. *Ahem* I've also done my worst when ignoring it.

Bottom line? Those who do not learn from history are bound to become victims of it. So the "art" of trading, be it during this period or any other, is understanding the former and avoiding the latter. ;-)

Now bring on the new week. I see some lip-smacking trades out there!

Regards!

John~