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To: cosmicforce who wrote (8322)	3/13/2001 5:16:50 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Fine, misguided. Leninism called for the destruction of political opponents as part of the revolution, and derided bourgeois democracy as being a farce, including having contempt for civil rights and civil liberties, due process, and free elections, but, heck, they were not revolutionary fanatics, they were just good, well- meaning folk, who only used the firing squad and political torture because they were misguided.......

To: cosmicforce who wrote (8322)	3/13/2001 6:38:48 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Revolutionary fanaticism is in the eye of the beholder. In it's core Marxism was a utopian view of the world that sought to right wrongs. Misguided, perhaps. Evil, no. Cosmic, A lot of nazis thought they were righting the wrongs caused by the Jews does that mean that nazi ideas are not evil? Marxism at its core sought to steal from property owners and impose a "dictatorship of the proletariat", so at is core it is evil. Tim

To: cosmicforce who wrote (8322)	3/13/2001 7:43:15 PM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Agreed, but with the crucial and devastating caveat... Marxism is impractical while human beings are less perfect and equal in reality than the system. While some want more than others, and are prepared or able to do more to get it, they will do so... and thence, having done more, can it be just to remove all the additional gains they have earnt by their own labour, or to direct all the gains of your own additional effort to help others? Which is why communism has been described as the best of all impossible worlds... what is possible can still be better :)