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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (8639)	3/15/2001 11:50:28 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Corruption? How about we are just animals, thinking animals. And in some cases our "corrupt" nature is the one that will help us survive. The ability to cannibalize one's neighbors might be seen as corrupt in the suburbs- but on a lifeboat, when you are starving to death, it could be quite advantageous to have the will to do that- and it would be a "good" thing. Transgress? Depends upon the situation doesn't it? The "FALL" is about the acquisition of knowledge. It is about passing from a purely animal state without a heavy societal overlay of mores and knowledge to a "civilized state" (imo..etc). Romance of the Fall is akin to pastoralism. It's great to admire the pasture, until you have to live in it in the winter.

To: Neocon who wrote (8639)	3/15/2001 12:27:44 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I admit, I suspect that humanity began in a better condition, and that the misuse of freedom introduced trouble into its situation "The Noble Savage" idea? Where would humanity have been in a better condition? Are we talking Neanderthal--Cro-Magnon? Do you believe that the ongoing growth of the human brain has distanced us from some "better condition"? Even the comparatively recent Huns ate their meat uncooked, but warmed it between their thighs and the back of their sweating horse. As we go back, the brain was smaller and smaller--the conceptions and beliefs more primitive and superstitious. Is the "better condition" somewhere in the span of the historical and fossil record--or does it belong to another branch of Homo erectus that went extinct without leaving a record? Did humans start with a cerebellum and then lose it--and evolve it again? Is there any reason to add anything to the scientific record as we know it? Any compelling reason to believe we were once in a "better condition"? I'm certainly not averse to the idea--I just don't believe I have come across it before...