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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (9065)	3/19/2001 10:34:44 AM
From: E	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

<<<It is true that there was some anti- Jewish rioting during the Crusades, and sporadic rioting at other times. The Russian pogroms stand out not merely because they are recent, but because their intensity and frequency were unusual........>>> Is this a definitional quibble you're proposing, in that you want to restrict the use of the word "pogrom" to Jew-killings in the 19th Century in parts of the Russian Empire? What's the point? Some anti-Jewish rioting during the Crusades? Why, it sounds hardly worth mentioning, Neocon! The Church-supported armies of the First Crusade, getting their act together in Europe en route to the Holy Land, murdered between ten and twenty thousand Jews. Then, when they finally got to Jerusalem, they gathered the Jewish population, shut it up in a synagogue, and set it on fire. We are not taking up the ethnic massacres (if that's what you would prefer to call them) of even greater scale that accompanied the Second Crusade, the Black Death, and so on. Additionally, "In addition to the major Crusades against Islam in the East... there were many local Crusades against Jews from the 13th Century onward. Bands of 'Crusaders' would sew crosses on their shirts, and set out to rob, kill, and convert Jews. One Crusade, called The Crusade of the Shepherds, entered Spain 30,000 strong, but as a prelude, set out to rob and murder Jews in the cities of southern France. They destroyed 140 Jewish communities...." -- from Epic of Survival, by Samual Glassman: Neocon, I can understand the impulse to minimize the enormity, and consistent enormity, of the genocidal excursions of historical Christianity, but I believe it is one that should be resisted. I see you've made some other posts to me. I assume they'll take up some of these issues: Message 15518123