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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: one_less who wrote (9391)	3/22/2001 12:30:19 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I am merely giving you an alternative that has one less step- a la Occam's razor. I am not arguing that the universe is or is not eternal. I am an agnostic- I don't BELIEVE anything, not for certain. I don't know what premise you've been operating under- but I merely suggested that logic would suggest cutting the designer out. Any qualities you give to your designer you could just as easily give to your universe- since you are simply defining your problem away. It's like fairy dust. You might as well sprinkle the fairy dust on the nearest object, as opposed to creating another object beyond the nearest object and sprinkling your fairy dust on that. Which is not to say I believe in fairy dust (any of the defined qualities you wish to give to the designer) the nearest object (the universe) or the other created object (the designer). You are only capable of "resolving" the issue by the use of fairy dust (pulluing definitions out of the air). Not much of a resolution- imo.

To: one_less who wrote (9391)	3/22/2001 12:33:25 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Who is making the dust bunnies that I find under my bed? No one. Dust bunnies accumulate on their own due to random perturbations in the environment and a couple of simple machines (like knots, hooks, and attractive forces). They don't need a Creator, yet they grow, divide and reproduce, feeding upon the lint they find on the floor. There is ample evidence to indicate that information forms similar "dust bunnies. I already mentioned to Greg that DNA is just sticky tape for these information or design nuggets. Consider all the little simple machines that no one invented. It doesn't make them any less surprising but you don't have to create a Creator to have ratchets, springs, ramps, hooks, knots, screws, levers and what not. At the microscale, that is all that biology is - a bunch of simple machines that started finding each other and hooked up.