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To: greenspirit who wrote (133598)	3/26/2001 11:43:39 PM
From: MKTBUZZ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Not to mention the pollution by not using nuclear.

To: greenspirit who wrote (133598)	3/27/2001 1:32:35 AM
From: Kevin Rose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

To lay blame for our current energy issues on Greenpeace is, I believe, misleading at best. Current shortages on natural gas are the result of free market economic factors. Quite simply, natural gas was until recently plentiful and cheap, making investment in exploration and drilling an unprofitable venture. The recent spike in natural gas prices have occurred because of a spike in demand coupled with lack of exploration and a deliberate supply manipulation by some energy companies. Oil is, if anything, plentiful; OPEC has recently acted to reduce supply to prop up the falling price of oil. Electricity shortages have arisen because of blatant supply manipulation by energy producers, coupled with bad 'deregulation' legislation which is as much the fault of Republicans in CA as Democrats. Power plants are being built in CA, but existing power plants have mysteriously required more than the normal amount of maintenance. Others have gone offline because of PG&E and Edison's financial problems. To blame the current energy problems on Greenpeace etc is wrong, I believe. It is a combination of economic errors, poor legislation, short sighted energy policies, unexpected economic growth, stupid moves by PG&E and Edison, and blatant manipulation by power companies. Greenpeace and the 'radical left' had very little to do with it.

To: greenspirit who wrote (133598)	3/27/2001 12:08:15 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 769670

So it's rather odd to me, so many intelligent people would buy into this fear of the religious right. Religious people are the least ones we should be concerned about. I don't think anyone is concerned about religious people, per se. The concern is for the "religious right," a fundamentalist political interest group with the apparent objective of 1) effectively establishing their religion and/or 2) imposing their religious law on those who are not followers of that religion and/or 3) establishing a religious litmus test for full participation in society. Secularists are the true destroyers of individual freedom, and biggest promoters of pushing their agenda on the rest of society. Devout Secularists are some of the most closed minded people in the world. Many of them consider mother earth their God, and defend her like the deepest religious zealots ever could. Secularists are simply an opposition force to theocrats. Secularists aren't necessarily environmentalist, or left-wing, or even non-religious. They just want to continue to have separation of church and state. If you have a beef with environmentalists, that's another matter. Karen