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To: Kevin Rose who wrote (133661)	3/27/2001 1:10:08 PM
From: Srexley	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

"and recognize that lady luck doesn't shine on everyone equally" You may be prejudice, but luck is not.

To: Kevin Rose who wrote (133661)	3/27/2001 2:00:11 PM
From: Patricia Trinchero	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 769670

A couple of years ago my husband and I drove through the hills near where we live looking at some houses. The realtors signs on the road said " enter,mansions for sale". As we drove along the hillside looking at the beautiful area with very exquisite homes we spent alot of time discussing the different decors and prices that we expected the homes would sell for. It was a development of new,very large homes. We suddenly got to the bottom of the hill and the road twisted by a migrant camp that was based in the flats. We both looked at each other and wondered what it must be like to live in that camp of poor field workers and constantly look up the hill at all those extravagant homes. Nobody works harder than a field worker who spends the day bent over in the hot, boiling sun picking the seasonal crops.They work for low wages and minimal benefits so that we can have reasonably priced food. No American would take their job for the pay scale yet we constantly make fun of them and try to drive them out of our country and back into Mexico. Who here would like to pay $9.95 for a head of lettuce so we could give their jobs to Americans? The people in the large homes had possibly worked hard, but had inherited money and businesses and also had some luck along the way. They didn't work harder than the migrants in the camp. Working hard is not the only criteria for success. My husband is a Republican who was so moved by the experience he now is careful to tip better in restaurants and is careful to give an extra few bucks to anyone who shows initiative. He realized that everyone has to make money for the economy to boom. Otherwise you have these poor individuals looking My husband and I have worked hard but we have been lucky and we have had help that isn't available to most. We thank God and spread what we have around. Not because we feel guilty because we have done well, but because it's the right thing to do.

To: Kevin Rose who wrote (133661)	3/27/2001 3:22:40 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 769670

So tell me, do you think the only work that is REALLY work is physical labor? Are you serious? And you cannot see that, say, software development, has its own stresses. They may not be physical but they are stresses nevertheless. L0ong hours. Impossible schedules. Problems that you have to twist your brain inside out to solve. Do you think the only labor of value is physical? James Clerk Maxwell contributed nothing? Isaac Newton? James Watt? Tesla? Pasteur? Salk and Sabin? Watson and Crick? Einstein? If this is your definition of 'working hard', then you are right. Except for one thing: That definition is ludicrous. I think all college students should be forced to take a job that shows them people who work HARD - mind numbing jobs, back breaking labor, little or no benefits, crummy pay, no future. Great idea! Any other parts of the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution you'd like to import? Oh, BTW, I spent two summers in college working with Mexicans as a field hand. You know, harvesting. Actually, my job was throwing 50-pound boxes lettuce 6-12 feet into the air to the back of a truck. Twelve hours a day. I think I have some familiarity with physical labor. And I consider what I do now (SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT) to also be work. I am a liberal, and I have been very lucky. Maybe the difference between us liberals and you, James, is that we recognize when we have been lucky, and recognize that lady luck doesn't shine on everyone equally. Nobody said it did. It certainly shown better on those staunch conservative scions, the Kennedys, than it did on me. I think they should give me $100 million to even things up. The fact is that, in spite of that, this is still the most open and fair system in the world. Why do you those poor third-worlders try so hard to get here?

To: Kevin Rose who wrote (133661)	3/27/2001 10:16:12 PM
From: RON BL	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

I am a computer consultant. I also worked as a tool maker back in Detroit. I took advantage of a layoff in 1980 to go back to school and complete my college degree which I had abandoned earlier for the pursuit of music and fun. I could have sat on my ass and complained and protested as a union member but I chose a different path. By the way many of the people I worked with were quite intelligent but they preferred to stay where they were. I don't say that to pass judgement on them but as a statement of fact. You choose the bed you lie in by the decisions you make. Then fate/destiny/karma/luck kick in and the future appears. Although working in the machine shop was dirty and repetitive at least when it was over it was over. That is never the case in my job now. There ia always the risk of failure and missing deadlines. Vacations get cancelled lives get put on hold. A world of difference.