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To: Diamond Jim who wrote (130963)	3/27/2001 1:47:29 PM
From: Joseph Pareti	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

guys, forget about Clinton, Bush and co. -- this is either LEGACY or IRRELEVANT. what really matters TO US is : (sample topics) - what .NET means to intel - there is a risc "execution demise" in the market place; an opportunity for ia-64. let's put flesh onto the bone ! - will intel and m$ft benefit from the dot-com implosion in terms of acquiring free resources and executing what others just promised to execute. - profitability in the trade of "selling spades and shovels" vs. "gold searching" (internet-plumbing space) - ultimate INTEL superiority over any other mpu manufacturer, no matter what (I mean no matter what ML, SSB, or Meeker "think" :-) Isn't this a more fulfilling mental game than churning politics :-)

To: Diamond Jim who wrote (130963)	3/27/2001 1:47:42 PM
From: Scumbria	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Jim, Character is representing yourself for what you are. Bush pretended to be an environmentally concerned moderate, and in has turned out to be a hard core damn the environment right-winger. He was "elected" under false pretenses. He lied straight faced to the American people, about issues which affect their lives. He should be impeached. Clinton never pretended to be anything other than he is. Scumbria

To: Diamond Jim who wrote (130963)	3/27/2001 1:50:49 PM
From: fingolfen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Great? taxes were high, people didn't complain much because they were employed but does Clinton really deserve the credit? Maybe he didn't screw up a gift horse that was handed to him? A gift horse doesn't last 8 years... period. The country went from running a several hundred billion dollar a year deficit to a several hundred billion dollar a year surplus. In short, Reagan and Bush maxed out the credit card... Clinton started paying it off... now Shrub wants to make minimum payments... I really find it ironic and amusing when people bring up morals and ethics when referring to the American political system... because the system itself is neither (witness the campaign finance reform debate). America has sat still and allowed our democracy to flounder and decay. Voter turnout is pathetic. Vote counting is inaccurate. Ballot consistency is non-existent. Our outdated, monolithic, two-party system only serves to entrench the large special interests. The people's (as in "by the people") choice is frequently the lesser of two evils rather than a real choice from legitimate options (witness the 2000 presidential campaign). Our Constitution wasn't written for a 2-party system... (and Washington opposed political parties in any form) but our election law is... That circumvents a lot of the checks and balances in the Constitution... As an American I'm tired of the lack of choice. I'm also tired of the binary mentality America has slipped into: "Us/them," "Good/Bad," "Republican/Democrat," hell, even "Intel/AMD." Are we as Americans so dull witted that we can't comprehend a third or fourth choice??? Must we swallow some demographically targeted buzzword laden tripe in the guise of ideology to give ourselves a sense of purpose??? Sure, each side of the aisle has a few valid points, but by and large it's just a wholesale division of what special interests to pander to... The Democrats pay lip-service to the environment, but won't make any real effort as that would estrange the cash flow. The Republicans play boy scout to make voting for them the "godly" thing to do. I must say that I respect what McCain is trying to do, but it's only a first step... unfortunately I believe he is committing political suicide in the process.