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To: Tony Viola who wrote (34360)	3/31/2001 10:58:02 AM
From: fyodor_	Respond to of 275872

Tony: Using banning here does turn off a lot of people you know, most likely primarily the non AMD forever types. This turns it all the more into a love-in as some call it, as neutral or rival-opinionated people decide to avoid posting here - not the idea of an Internet posting board as I envision it. Have a nice thread. There's a fine line between incorporating measures that make it a "love-in", as you call it, and incorporating no measures, making it Yahoo-ish. Clearly, both are extremely undesirable. -fyo

To: Tony Viola who wrote (34360)	3/31/2001 12:12:35 PM
From: kash johal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Tony, re: banning I agree completely. Banning should be a last resort. And it should require an significant majority vote at least 60/40 or 2/3 majority. And i agree with you that a moderated thread is a turn off to some people who would otherwise post here. We definately have an imperfect system here. However the old un-moderated thread was much worse. regards, Kash

To: Tony Viola who wrote (34360)	3/31/2001 12:53:30 PM
From: Win Smith	Respond to of 275872

Tony, I'm glad you've enjoyed Paul Engel and the Athwipe variations, parts 1-28477, but perhaps, maybe, there's a few others who don't share your opinion. Personally, I wish more people would find it in themselves to just ignore disruptive posters, but I also don't exactly see the point of an allegedly moderated thread where, some days, 50% of the posts are part of some inane Engel "dialog" or other. I wasn't around for this vote. I would have certainly voted yes on 5. I think Mani has bent over backwards to be fair, and meta discussion is mostly just noise. You and Paul can always start your own thread, and moderate it however you wish. I'd be more than happy to be banned from that neighborhood myself.

To: Tony Viola who wrote (34360)	3/31/2001 2:19:19 PM
From: milo_morai	Respond to of 275872

Tony, if people behave like adults, they don't get in trouble. Take some time and read the rules, they are very simple. M.

To: Tony Viola who wrote (34360)	4/1/2001 9:48:07 PM
From: Mani1	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 275872

With all due respect Tony, and a lot is indeed due, I would have never thought someone like you would make such an illogical post. Re <<This turns it all the more into a love-in as some call it, as neutral or rival-opinionated people decide to avoid posting here>> Why? Does anyone in their right mind think that posting bearish thought on AMD results in getting banned from this thread? If so, where would someone get such an absurd idea? I have tried to define the rules and make suggestion so as few people as possible get banned, and I think by all accounts that has been the case. Here are a few things people should keep in mind before resorting to hollow rhetoric: -Paul Engle has been the ONLY "pro Intel" poster that has EVER been banned from posting. Same number as "pro AMD" poster. -This thread was started on July 5th, that is 9 months ago. Of these 9 months, only 6 weeks has there even a SINGLE person banned from posting. -Total of only 4 people have ever been banned, two of which posted only a few times and their posts had absolutely nothing to do with either AMD or Intel Re <<not the idea of an Internet posting board as I envision it>> I never envisioned a posting board as an electronic bathroom stalls. What is so foul about the idea of grown adults wanting to exchange thoughts about a topic without tolerating being called nasty names by someone who disagrees? I envisioned this board to be a place where people discuss issues and topics that can make AMD?s stock to go higher or lower, without personal attack. You can attack Jerry Sanders or AMD management all you want. You can trash AMD?s product all you want, as those are very valid points. But you must adhere to the civility that is expected of all grown adult in our culture. Re << The 2/3 vote to ban is more like it would be in any other "punishment" type activity in the world. Jury has unanimous requirement, impossible here, but just noting it.>> There is one thing I know for sure, and that is there is no way to keep everyone happy. If some one like Kash or Stribe or whoever, want a different voting rules, then they are more than welcome to take that initiative and do it. If they can establish another method that the threads agree with, I am more than willing to implement those as far as they do the extra work regarding counting votes and so forth. But I simply do not have the time to do more than what I originally agreed to do. I can guarantee one thing, and that is if AMD heads south and Intel heads north, all Intel folks will be all over the moderated thread claiming their vast wisdom. Considering Intel's dismal performance, only Paul has had the balls to do this, and unfortunately he is seldom willing to stick to the requirements. Too bad! Mani

To: Tony Viola who wrote (34360)	4/1/2001 11:16:00 PM
From: Bill Jackson	Respond to of 275872

Tony, RE: For example, most people who voted against Paul's ban, were mainly from Intel and Rambus thread. I have no reason to doubt your honesty, but still find that very hard to believe. Hard to believe?? Hard to believe?? I see, you would have it that the people on the AMD thread wanted him kept and those people from Rambus and Intel wanted him removed??? Now that is a scenario that I find hard to believe. Mani has the stats and can probably place them here(with no names.....just their "home" thread where they make the bulk of their comments) If Paul would learn simple decorum and proper language he would not have been dealt with this way, instead he preferred to use the bully tactics of giving as dog a bad name and trying to hang it. As Mani says, this is not acceptable behaviour in any group of civilised people. As for votes and ratios, what rule does the USA use to decide who wins an election....50% +1 in the case of most elections I have seen. In addition, the anti Paul group was home grown, but the pro Paul group was from people who do not post here and would not ordinarily have been aware of the vote....was there a PM attempt at vote rigging? A few PMs to as many posters on Rambus and Intel as possible to draw them to the election so they could vote for Paul and against whoever? Well, Mani has those stats as well, he can spot a ringer vote from a person who never posts on his thread. It would be interesting to see what those stats reveal...... Bill