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To: greenspirit who wrote (134792)	4/2/2001 6:31:04 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Respond to of 769667

Mike, I read Karen's post and I jumped directly to the reply. Now I was going to say with a smile to Karen that she kinda sounded like a right winger with that post. My opinion on the problem is this. An adult who expose youth to porn by intent or stupidity should simply be hung. But as and engineer I consider blocking software a joke based upon my analysis of what porners are doing. Outside the jurisdiction of the US you can have the mickey mouse fetish review or whatever. Filters are based on letters in combination. Well think about how you would get around a filter that looks for a combination of letters. porners want credit card numbers or provide phone numbers that can charge. porners will set out any bait trap to get hits. One time I typed in webcrawler with one of the letters missing and I came into a porn site. filter are a very dubious solution and requiring them is making the porner job easier. IMHO It costs 13.50 to register a domain today. toms3d.com nslookup it fvwm.home.dhs.org is free and for a twenty dollar donation I can have unlimited redirection. try this tom.doesntexist.com tom watson tosiwmee

To: greenspirit who wrote (134792)	4/2/2001 6:38:44 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Michael, I don't have kids, so I haven't experience that special anxiety that parents have regarding their kids, but maybe that makes it easier for me to use my head on this issue. First of all, if kids want porn they will get it. Just because they can't get it on your home computer or your library's computer doesn't mean they won't get it. Taking it off the computer in the library may slow them down, but only by a few steps. Second, the blocking software doesn't work all that well. Maybe soon it will. We've discussed this before. Kids will still be able to get it. They'll form little grapevines to share with each other how to get around the blocking software and have a good laugh at their parents and the authorities. Third, I'd like to be a fly on the wall at a community meeting to decide what to block and what to not block. Have fun getting a consensus. Regarding the adults who would surf for porn in a public library, I'm scratching my head. I don't know why a guy would want to look at porn in a public place--one where he needs to keep his hands on the keyboard, so to speak, or risk getting arrested for public indecency. Yeah, there are weirdos. But if they're not in the library, they'll be out behind the convenience store with pictures. Or in the library stacks with pictures. If my kid were to encounter a weirdo, I'd rather it be at a monitor in a library where there were people around and someone to notify the authorities. And lastly, porn is far from the worst threat to kids. Just recently someone mentioned on another thread about how a man had exposed himself to her when she was a girl. A number of us who were around at the time posted that the same thing had happened to us. We were all surprised to find it was so common. It's certainly been around longer than the internet. Happened to me in the 50's. One of the things I learned was that all of us brushed the experience off quite easily. No years of therapy. No nightmares. Not a pleasant experience, but no big deal. Michael, it's not the end of the world for kids to see some dirty pictures unless they're unusually sensitive or the pictures are especially scary. If I thought it would work, I might support it. I think everyone's energy could be better spent. Karen