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To: ManyMoose who wrote (135238)	4/3/2001 10:34:19 PM
From: gao seng	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

An interesting article on the science of intentionality: tucsonweekly.com Very long, here is an clip BUT PENROSE, TOWERING creative genius that he is, takes the whole scheme to a seemingly outrageous conclusion, postulating the existence of what for more than 2,000 years of Western culture has largely been thought to be an unattainable dream -- namely the Platonic Realm. The ancient philosopher insisted that ideals are real, that they exist and that our world is but a pale reflection of their wondrous existence.

To: ManyMoose who wrote (135238)	4/3/2001 10:45:28 PM
From: Kevin Rose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

I agree. It always seemed weird to me why people couldn't accept BOTH creationism and evolution. So God created everything in 6 days; do we have to take that as literally 6 Earth days? Couldn't it be 6 'God' days? Seems perfectly logical to me that a supreme being would design some universe creation plan, and have it follow the physical laws that He set up. Creationism vs evolution is just a smoke screen for belief vs non-belief. If the argument focused on that, I think it would be more productive.

To: ManyMoose who wrote (135238)	4/3/2001 10:59:30 PM
From: J_F_Shepard	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

re:"I believe if Jesus taught anything about Creation he put it in the form of something that the people and philosophers of the day could comprehend..." No, I wasn't speakng necessarily about creation and although I am also a bad biblical scholar(even though I had to take a required course in college), I don't think he taught anything about creation. My question was, are you sure he taught anything at all....? "Whatever the source or mode of Creation, it is something of a miracle, don't you think? " No, I don't categorize it as a miracle.....a mystery yes, but I think the answer is much too complicated to dismiss it as a miracle.... "By the way, can you explain "time?" Can you?" Time is what passes between the occurance of one event and the next. In a similar context heat is defined as that which passes from a warmer body or substance to a colder one. The measurement and reproducibility (very important) of such phenomena makes for science. "Don't put people down if they believe in the Biblical story of Creation" I don't feel at all guilty about that.....to me such a belief shows a lack of curiosity and an unwillingness to use basic logic and ask questions....if you do so you may find a reconciliation between science and your beliefs although your beliefs will probably become less simplistic and a lot more satisfying.. I have thought for many years that Christ is an invention such that people can have a human form to relate to.... God is simply too abstract and everyone's concept of god is different...try the test on your friends and ask them what they think god looks like...for starters they will all describe him as male, ie a human form and a male one at that. That's probably why Christianity has been so successful. Voltaire once said, "if God did not exist he would have to be created".....an incredibly profound statement....requires some thought. Someone (I don't recall who) also said, "religion begins where reason ends"..