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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (135282)	4/3/2001 11:56:04 PM
From: ManyMoose	Respond to of 769667

I think the following two messages are essentially equivalent. They put Creation in terms that the writers can comprehend. I think Mr. Shepard is right that Jesus did not teach about Creation. He had more immediate concerns. What he did teach has changed mankind more than any other teachings. I think the most important thing he taught was forgiveness. Unfortunately, it is beyond the capabilities of mankind at present. We shall have to evolve further. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To:Dave Ellen who wrote (135238) From: DMA Tuesday, Apr 3, 2001 11:10 PM Respond to of 135339 Imagine God gave miraculously gave you the knowledge of how everything began and how everything works. The whole grand unified theory of everything, in your brain. Now imagine that you had to describe this to your fellow men - in about 10 pages. Oh, almost forgot, imagine also that you have the vocabulary of a Bronze Age sheepherder. Bet you couldn't do as well as the author of Genesis. Message #135282 from J_F_Shepard at Apr 3, 2001 10:59 PM re:"I believe if Jesus taught anything about Creation he put it in the form of something that the people and philosophers of the day could comprehend..." No, I wasn't speakng necessarily about creation and although I am also a bad biblical scholar(even though I had to take a required course in college), I don't think he taught anything about creation. My question was, are you sure he taught anything at all....? "Whatever the source or mode of Creation, it is something of a miracle, don't you think? " No, I don't categorize it as a miracle.....a mystery yes, but I think the answer is much too complicated to dismiss it as a miracle.... "By the way, can you explain "time?" Can you?" Time is what passes between the occurance of one event and the next. In a similar context heat is defined as that which passes from a warmer body or substance to a colder one. The measurement and reproducibility (very important) of such phenomena makes for science. "Don't put people down if they believe in the Biblical story of Creation" I don't feel at all guilty about that.....to me such a belief shows a lack of curiosity and an unwillingness to use basic logic and ask questions....if you do so you may find a reconciliation between science and your beliefs although your beliefs will probably become less simplistic and a lot more satisfying.. I have thought for many years that Christ is an invention such that people can have a human form to relate to.... God is simply too abstract and everyone's concept of god is different...try the test on your friends and ask them what they think god looks like...for starters they will all describe him as male, ie a human form and a male one at that. That's probably why Christianity has been so successful. Voltaire once said, "if God did not exist he would have to be created".....an incredibly profound statement....requires some thought. Someone (I don't recall who) also said, "religion begins where reason ends"..

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (135282)	4/4/2001 12:07:36 AM
From: ManyMoose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

No. That is the Wizard of Oz you are talking about. God is the totality of being, of creation, of life, of religion, of spirituality, of morality, of physics, of chemistry, of wormholes, of time cones, of forgiveness, of love, of compassion, of double helixes, of event horizons ..... "I am that I am," He said to Moses. We can describe Him in mere words? I think not. <<what they think god looks like...for starters they will all describe him as male, ie a human form and a male one at that. >>