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To: tejek who wrote (135949)	4/6/2001 2:29:07 PM
From: d[-_-]b	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1571927

tejek, re: What do we lose if we were to apologize? For what? Flying over international waters? What do we gain? Exactly how long do they intend to hold our people without charges in violation of international law?

To: tejek who wrote (135949)	4/6/2001 2:48:29 PM
From: pgerassi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1571927

Dear Ted: Go down to the library and look up what apology means to an oriental culture. Then look up what regret means to that culture. Finally look up what "face" means. By insisting on something they do not deserve, they are losing face. The longer it lasts, the more they lose. Yes, it takes time, but they started it, thinking we are inexperienced in oriental culture. That gamble is not paying off as they hoped as the Bush team is far smarter than they gave credit for (probably listening to people like Scumbria). And now it is going to start hurting their "face" or prestige. There are still some ways to get out of this with little damage for them but the amount of damage that will be left over is climbing fast. Just notice how they are toning down they retoric lately. Pete

To: tejek who wrote (135949)	4/6/2001 4:13:11 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 1571927

What do we lose if we were to apologize? I'm against an apology for several reasons. One is that it accepts blame when we are not at fault. This is bad not only because it unfairly puts the blame on us but also because it cheapens real apologies. A second reason is of more practical importance if it becomes a factor but there is a good chance that it will not. This second reason is that if we apologize and admit blame it is narrowly possible that the Chinese could use that as an excuse for or in support of holding the pilot of the P3 for his "crimes". A third reason is the question of what happens next time there is some incident? Do you think we should recognize China's claim to own and control all of the nearby waters? I don't. We will still have to be involved in the area, and presumably China will still buzz our aircraft. China might take the apology as strengthening their claim to control the whole area and their supposed right to keep others out. (We would only apologize if we did something wrong and it was only wrong it it really was Chinese territory). The fourth reason is if we back down when China is being unreasonable it could be seen as a sign of weakness and China may push even further next time there is any dispute. Tim