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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (2918)	4/6/2001 8:15:03 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi Ron, now really rushed for time and will not be posting for the next week. <<Jay... don't worry.. I'm not trying to argue either.. just trying to figure out what is motivating the Chinese politicos and how they are assigning the variables in their political equation>> That I can guess at ... cost = not relevant, when it comes to Taiwan. Now, realize that I got family and buddies on Taiwan, and same on Mainland, and I know they have nothing to worry about as long as they keep sharing the pie, which so far is growing larger with each passing year. <<national all US assets within China?>> Really not in the cards at all. US can stop payment on all them PRC owned treasuries. The situation between US and China is so very different than that of US and USSR. <<Who's to say that Jiang and Zhu wouldn't fall from favor and the military assert greater influence in economic and policy decisions?>> They may, and that would not be good. <<From a business perspective, western companies have few legal rights outside of the arbitrary ones that can be granted and withdrawn at a moment's notice with the proper political environment.>> Very true, and thus my income source. <<And this is what I see being what's currently at stake here, China's pushing the envelope with regard to making up the rules as they go along in a manner that they happen to see fit to do.>> And thus I think the experience will be good for them as well, making my future work easier. <<And totalitarian systems bear a distinct difference with authoritarian systems, which are usually "strong man" governments usurping control of an established political system for their own ends.. Totalitarianism creates an entirely new system that excludes any opposition, where you have to be a member of the party to truly realize social priviledges or political influence. I look at as the equivalent as a political mafia, who have no desire to permit the average person to gain access to their world of priviledge.>> There is growing opposition capability within China, in line with economic development. <<And I have to disagree with you about Hungary. First off communism was imposed upon Hungary buy the Soviet Union, thus never truly taking root in the society as a political ideology that people acknowledge. It was pretty much assumed that when the Soviets left, there would be political pluralism. And the former communists were able to regain power, as I recall, in the mid-'90s by manipulating the election process.>> And this is why one can not have political reform in the absense of economic reform. Skip Hungary, as it has the population of one city in China. The rest of what you say I have clarifications for and thoughts on, but really got to go now. Change takes time. Chugs, Jay

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (2918)	4/6/2001 10:48:44 PM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

> ...group of corrupt political dinosaurs ...willing to create an environment of conflict between the US and the Chinese people< Is it not the other way round? Like "I respect the Americans as a whole. But what burns me up is that a group of corrupt political dinosaurs are willing to create an environment of conflict between the PRC and the American people that need not exist." The reason for sarcasm: Its not the good ol' capitalism vs the ugly duck of communism, mixed with "X nation in love with Y"(make your own substitutions). Its a power play. Oh BTW suggesting "to restore previous pre-communist economic and political ties" means what? Going back to 1870s with "Germans to the front".

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (2918)	4/6/2001 11:01:01 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 74559

Ron, appreciate both your and Jay's remarks...Do agree with you about this....in fact, I would think that the vast part of the US women (who do the major part of the buying for the household) are starting to think about checking labels, and perhaps not buying items from China....right now...as we speak! And it will intensify if China holds our people HOSTAGE very much longer (each day counts)! >>>>>And again.. watch this boycott discussion as it starts to build. The longer China holds US personnel hostage (and that's essentially what it is at this point), the more we'll see average Americans making their own decisions to not buy Chinese goods. And this will be a situation that neither the US or Chinese politicians will be able to control and it will create long-term damage to relations.<<<<<