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To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (214)	4/8/2001 10:52:35 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2279

I'm sure we are on the same wave length. And I would tend to agree with your last observation also...It's the old story...."Get UP"....and "Goooooooo!" Somehow, an old book by Leo Rosten entitled H-Y-M-A-N K-A-P-L-A-N just popped into my head. It is a marvelous book, and tells the tale of an immigrant gentleman who comes to the US, and his story of learning English before he can do much of anything else. He succeeds mightly! And those of us who are fortunate enough to read his story, not only have laughed and laughed WITH him, and applaud him as well! I find I don't have much patience with those who continually wait for others to do something for them...sometimes waiting and expecting for generations.

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (214)	4/8/2001 11:05:41 PM
From: sandintoes	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 2279

Here is more propaganda from the liberals...Village Voice... He make it sound like he doesn't live in this country. It's almost as if the Republicans planned this for their own agenda. villagevoice.com GOP and Big Business Could Benefit From Clash China Conflict: The Profit Motive by James Ridgeway WASHINGTON, D.C., April 5—The Bush administration's great China standoff has less to do with a downed American spy plane and a missing Chinese pilot than it does with U.S. and China competing for control of the world oil routes that cross through southern Asia. Also at stake is an electronics gravy train for the corporate interests of Silicon Valley. In seeking to protect shipping lanes for oil tankers, the U.S. has considered equipping nations along the Asian routes—including Taiwan—with the military might needed to defend the surrounding seas. China, which is also seeking greater access to fuel, has expressed anger over the transfer of arms to neighboring Taiwan. China is the world's second-largest energy consumer. A net importer since 1993, by 2020 the Communist nation will be importing up to two-thirds of its oil. Eighty percent of those supplies will come from the Middle East. The main exporters now are Oman and Yemen, but China is hoping to obtain supplies from Saudi Arabia as well. U.S. conservatives tie China's needs together with the perpetually vexing Saddam Hussein, noting that Chinese oil experts were working in Iraq when the U.S. bombed it recently, and that Chinese-fostered improvement in Iraqi air defense systems will make it more difficult for the U.S. to run its immense police operation in the Middle East. In recent years China has been more active in attempting to spread its hegemony over ocean supply lines that lead from the Middle East through the Straits of Malacca. Protecting these key trade routes are of major concern to U.S. conservatives; they see arming Taiwan as one step in spreading a military presence around southern Asia. Other nations situated along the routes are the Philippines, Malaysia, and Thailand. Naturally China objects to American plans for beefing up Taiwan's military. Major arms could include new destroyers, or possibly refurbished older ones intended for the shah of Iran before he was overthrown. They are built by shipyards in Mississippi (home of GOP senators Trent Lott and Thad Cochran) and in Maine (represented by GOP senators Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins). Both the conservative and liberal ends of the Republican Party make out on this one. So do big corporations. The engines would come from General Electric. And electronics, which include the super-duper Aegis missile system, advanced radar, command and control, and warfare systems will come from a range of Silicon Valley subcontractors. Whether it's enough to resurrect the pathetic NASDAQ stock market is anybody's guess, but it certainly won't hurt any. The question now is how China's need for energy to fuel its modernization will affect global energy markets, environmental standards (or the lack thereof), and defense. Though the country is increasingly looking to hydroelectric and nuclear power, easy access to oil remains the key for China's move into the global economy.

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (214)	4/9/2001 2:15:37 AM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2279

Tomorrows news tonight: Spy plane 'forced to land' SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST (Hong Kong) April 9, 2001 drudgereport.com Spy plane 'forced to land' STAFF REPORTER in BEIJING and AGENCIES The US spy plane stranded on Hainan Island was forced to land by a Chinese fighter after requests to shoot it down were rejected by ground control, Chinese sources said yesterday. Dramatic new details also emerged of how a senior PLA officer wrestled a US airman to the ground as the mainland military boarded the EP-3E Aries II plane following its collision with a Chinese jet eight days ago. Twenty-four American crew are being held as the Chinese navy searches for pilot Wang Wei, who parachuted from his F-8 fighter. US President George W. Bush would write to Wang's wife as a "humanitarian gesture", Secretary of State Colin Powell said. She had previously written to Mr Bush, accusing him of being "too cowardly" to apologise. The Chinese military is continuing to take a hard line on the collision, with Defence Minister Chi Haotian yesterday again blaming the US. The developments came as Chinese sources gave a more detailed account of the collision than that given by Zhao Yu, the second Chinese pilot. Zhao told state-run TV that he and Wang initially tracked the EP-3 at a distance of about 400 metres in their F-8 fighters. He said the US plane veered abruptly, the propeller on its left wing smashing into Wang's plane and causing it to plunge into the sea. The sources said Zhao's account was incomplete. After seeing the loss of Wang's plane, Zhao radioed ground control for permission to shoot down the US plane, but this was refused, they said. "The officials at ground control were cool-headed," one source said. "Zhao could have shot the plane down but that would have meant the death of 24 US airmen. It would have been an act of war, whereas the collision was an accident." The sources said that after the collision, the spy plane attempted to fly to the northeast, away from China. However, Zhao manoeuvred to prevent this and forced the plane to land at Hainan's Lingshui base, where it was immediately surrounded by Chinese military. After landing, the US crew refused to let the Chinese enter the plane, demanding that US diplomats be present. Initially, the Chinese made no attempt to force entry. Then a senior officer arrived, walked up the stairs and wrestled a US crew member guarding the entrance. The officer threw the airman to the ground, enabling the PLA to enter. "The 24 crew members were given their own area in the base, with Chinese military staying at a distance," one source said. "Two of the crew [guarded] the entrance to this area." The revelations came as China and the US continued intensive negotiations to resolve the diplomatic stand-off. Yesterday, US Vice-President Dick Cheney reiterated that the US had no plans to apologise to China. "The President [George W. Bush] has made it clear we regret the loss of the Chinese pilot as a result of this accident. The notion that we would apologise for being in international air space, for example, is not something we can accept," Mr Cheney said in a television interview. Pressed on whether the US had anything to apologise for, he said: "No, I don't believe we do." The US Secretary of State said the Sino-US relationship "is being damaged" by the dispute and the crew should be released immediately. Mr Powell told Fox News: "We've got to bring this matter to a close as soon as possible . . . [to] get our youngsters back and see if we can minimise the damage to our relationship." Mr Powell said intense negotiations were continuing despite China's fresh demand that the US apologise for the collision. "We are in intense diplomatic negotiations . . . Things are moving along," Mr Powell said, though not as fast "as I would like". US Ambassador Joseph Preuher last night said the negotiations had made progress after he again met Chinese officials. He declined to give details. END