To: M. Frank Greiffenstein who wrote (1839 ) 4/9/2001 11:26:46 PM From: GraceZ Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 24758 Are you aware that domestic violence is equally divided between men on women and women on men? I've spent a little time in family court. I have no doubt in my mind that men are subjected to domestic violence. I have a friend right now who is going through one of the ugliest custody, divorce cases I've ever seen and I have given a deposition in his defense. I do believe he was subjected to and is still being subjected to terrible abuse from his wife. In his case it is mostly mental but there is some physical. What is terrible is that she has accused him of what she did to him. He's the one that has to prove his innocence when he has been victimized by her. But, I have a really hard time believing it is equally divided. I don't have any trouble believing that women are the offenders in domestic violence at an increasing rate. Women have become increasingly violent with the society at large in the last twenty years. Let's forget what is reported and what isn't because I believe that there is an enormous amount that is under reported on both sides. Let's just examine situations where people are killed by their spouse in a dispute. Ish brought up some cases where women have killed their husbands, while this is becoming far more frequent it is still a case of "man bites dog". Women are killed by their husbands or boyfriends every single day in this country, it's a daily event. Or lets look at family courts. Did you know that disproving paternity through DNA testing years after conception does not release you from paying child support if you were foolish enough to sign paternity papers because you took your sweetie's word? Yes, I know this. I don't agree it is "fair" to the men. I think the court takes the stance that the child should be protected before either adult. In some of these cases the men have assumed the role of father for years and years before they found out that the child wasn't theirs. I think you would see an avalanche of kids thrown on the child welfare system if all the ex-husbands started testing for paternity. If I were a man who had raised a child as my own, there is no way I could disown that child over a DNA test. I might want reparations from the wife, but that's another story. When I was referring to due process, I was contrasting it to what is going on in these Kangaroo courts that the schools put up. The court system, as imperfect as it is, is a better solution than these informal judgements. At least the accused has a right to a defense and theoretically they are considered innocent until proven guilty.