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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Mac Con Ulaidh who wrote (11067)	4/12/2001 1:34:12 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

I bet there are thousands of different kinds of leftists. I bet they defy description. We would probably both call ourselves left, or liberal- and yet we are very different. Similar in some ways, but different in so many others. I wonder what primarily defines our liberal/left nature? For me it isn't really group identity. It is probably more anti group identity. I know that I do NOT like what is in the right/conservative platform, so I guess I am primarily reacting to not liking that. I am a reactionary lefty. :-) evil smiley left·ism also Left·ism (lftzm). n. 1.The ideology of the political left. 2.Belief in or support of the tenets of the political left. lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl) adj. Abbr. lib. 1. a.Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. b.Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. c.Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism. d.Liberal. Abbr. Lib. Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States. 2. a.Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor. b.Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes. 3.Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation. 4.Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education. 5. a.Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman. b.Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious. n. 1.A person with liberal ideas or opinions. 2.Liberal. Abbr. Lib. A member of a Liberal political party. [Middle English generous, from Old French from Latin lberlis, from lber, free; see leudh- in Indo-European Roots.] liber·al·ly adv. liber·al·ness n. Synonyms: liberal, bounteous, bountiful, freehanded, generous, handsome, munificent, openhanded. The central meaning shared by these adjectives is “willing or marked by a willingness to give unstintingly”: a liberal backer of the arts; a bounteous feast; bountiful compliments; a freehanded host; a generous donation; a handsome offer; a munificent gift; a fond and openhanded grandfather. See also synonyms at broad-minded. Antonyms: stingy

To: Mac Con Ulaidh who wrote (11067)	4/12/2001 1:40:54 AM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I have a very clear idea what it means to be a leftist. But why discuss it with someone who is dismissive and lacking in understanding of the tasks at hand? I'm not sure what tasks you are talking about but that certainly is a dismissive statement! Coming from one leftist country and having been in several others I can only say what the common denominators are. 1) Filthy public washrooms 2) Long line ups 3) Mediocre to really bad medical care 4) Bureaucracy that teaches people with dismissive comments and red tape to give up before trying. If resistance is useless why bother. 5) A smug smirking realization that only our "clique" or in crowd can properly understand the tasks at hand. 6) Money is the root of all evil except government funds bequethed generously to the in crowd. I realize your gang will do a much better job than all others who have failed, and all others have failed, hopefully you can rise and save us from ourselves before it is too late.

To: Mac Con Ulaidh who wrote (11067)	4/12/2001 1:07:12 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 82486

So you think to be a leftist these days is not a good thing? Not necessarily. It means to have a victim mentality? Often, not always. But often, I fear. So what... you don't think much of leftists? No. I think highly of some, critically of others. Why don't you discuss that on the porch? The porch is not the place for critical discussion, it's the place for positive discussion. I discuss the good things of liberalism there, the bad things here. This isn't the 60's. It's 40 years later. Time to let the past go, and move on. Not if the past is right. Not all change is progress. The trick is to identify which change is good and which is not, embrace the ones that are good and oppose the ones that are bad. Heck, the First Amendment was written over 200 years ago, but I'm not about to let that go and move on.