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To: MikeM54321 who wrote (10960)4/16/2001 9:35:22 AM
From: slacker711  Respond to of 12823
 
Well that about hits the nail on the head regarding DSL and CM. But why CM and DSL has stalled is the big $64K question.

JMO...but I think it is the lack of plug and play for BB service providers. How many people would turn down a cablemodem if it was coming pre-installed on new computers?
Also, the lack of a retail presense at the local Best Buy/Circuit City likely hurts their ability to attract customers. The other half of the equation is the effect that plug and play would have on the bottom lines of various BB companies. They could actually turn a profit at $40/month....

Slacker



To: MikeM54321 who wrote (10960)4/16/2001 11:43:11 AM
From: Rob S.  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12823
 
The enthusiasm for building infrastructure has certainly cooled dramatically. The arguments for installed plant are at first glance compelling: why not use all that sunk cost and generate revenue from it? The basic reason is that for many all except the local carriers it does not make sense and even for them it is no panacea. Quest has said that their broadband DSL has grown faster than they expected and is a profitable segment of their business. Too bad for anyone else who wants to compete for DSL if they don't control the local lines.

Sprint reports that they have already reached 25% market share for BB in the initial markets they have entered. That far exceeded their expectations. It doesn't look to me that nobody wants the service even at this early time in the evolution of content. While it is true that there is no compelling reason for customers to give up their boob tubes for yet to be realized video on demand and other broadband content, there is still a large market of internet users who would love to have a reliable broadband solution.

Why will OFDM take off and compete effectively against DSL and cable? We won't know for sure if it will stand up to all of it's claims however promising it appears but if it does then OFDM will be lower cost to install and lower cost to maintain and will provide a minimum of 1 Mb (vendors claim around 3 mb burst rates and 1.5 sustainable. IoSpan says that much higher rates are possible , , , I think that 1.0-1.5 is sufficient to be competitive with DSL and cable. There is another issue with FWBB that can of concern - latency for first response can be several milliseconds. FBB suppliers such as Nextnet and Breezecom say they will have this worked out sufficiently in time for commercial deployments).

This technology makes sense the same way it makes sense for PCS cellular. At the time QCOM was trying to drum up support for CDMA technology the nay sayers were knocking it down as being too expensive and unproven. Sure it was theoretically neat but it could never be made to work well in the real world. And PCS phones and head-end installations would just be way too expensive to build. Qualcomm showed nice pretty charts about how the new technology could cover more customers and how the costs would work out to be low enough to justify the expenditure. It was a very hard sell. But look what has happened; PCs has become extremely popular and arguments about developing customer demand proved to be false. I think the same dynamics will work for OFDM.



To: MikeM54321 who wrote (10960)4/16/2001 1:38:42 PM
From: axial  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12823
 
Hi, Mike - Reading the debate, a few things come to mind, that have not been mentioned so far.

First, on the future of BBFW: I have yet to read a report (and I'm including detailed analysis by Lehman, Gartner and Forrester among many, many others) that says "BBFW ain't coming. It's a crock." I'm sure someone is saying that; I just haven't seen their report.

Second, the influence of free spectrum and standards-based equipment at 5 GHz will provide an important wedge into the market. Yes, being unlicensed spectrum, it will suffer from some limitations, but the fact is that it will give providers an important entry point, which will begin to introduce the economies of scale that predispose still lower price points. If it were not for the FCC decision, last May, banning coded OFDM from 2.4 GHz (in contravention to the rest of the world) such networks would be in existence in the US today. This will be a very cost-effective and competitive entry point.

The NLOS issue is vastly overstated, IMO. Given the already impressive ability of coded OFDM to overcome NLOS issues, the frequencies at which it will operate, and future lower price points, accessing hard-to-reach customers will become easier. The solutions, go beyond, but do not exclude conventional macro/micro/picocell heirarchies.

The discussions that I have seen on this thread ignore the phenomenon of the piranha network. Such networks start in areas of local demand, usually in the enterprise market, are internally funded by profitable growth, and expand outward, accreting additional customers as demand increases, and backfilling to greater density at the same time. Viewed on national scale, such piranhas could be viewed as cultures in a petri dish: they will eventually extend and merge into national networks. In their growth, they are the opposite of the traditional "build it and they will come" model.

Finally, the prevailing psychology: I will offer the story, told by a friend, who has an investment in a wireless infrastructure company. This company had two connections to the outside world: one wireless, and the other, a wired backup.

Recently, they finally disconnected the ruinously expensive wired backup. Reason? The wireless connection was far more reliable than the wired backup. They now use another wireless backup. As an executive said, "If it can happen here, you can imagine the perceptual problem we're dealing with out there."

Frank's "raised eyebrow", on the question of contention and infinite spectral capacity was noted. I wouldn't presume to speak for him, but if I read his unstated objection correctly, I agree with what I think he was going to say.

Yet the term "high-speed" that has been applied to coded OFDM networks is a misnomer: more correctly, I think the term should be "high capacity". Very roughly speaking, the (eventual) same infrastructure cost should give the carrier somewhere from 2 to 4 times as many paying customers, who will be assured of superior reception/transmission, nomadic usage, and potentially, as cellular density deepens, mobile usage.

I have no wish to "twist the arm" of anyone on this thread as regards BBFW. I have corresponded privately with some of you on the subject. My own belief is that many on this thread have a fixed mindset on the matter, deriving largely from a "wired" past, and have not objectively examined the question. That is understandable, and of course, I could be completely wrong.

If I'm wrong, so much the worse for my investment dollars.

No offense intended, but I am betting against the prevailing thought here: I think that the impact of this technology has been badly underestimated.

JM2C ;-)

Jim