Silicon Investor (SI) -- The First Internet Community

STOCKTALK

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor. We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community. If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.

Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: average joe who wrote (11547)	4/16/2001 4:11:13 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

I find it difficult to imagine teaching when one believes there is nothing to important to learn.

To: average joe who wrote (11547)	4/16/2001 4:31:23 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 82486

So your objective truth has something to do with the Miracle Worker? That Anne could learn to communicate has nothing all all to do with objective truth- at least that's the way it appears to me. It has a great deal to do with the subjective beliefs of her teacher. And the effort of her teacher. And her own personal and subjective will to communicate. Teaching the deaf blind is an interesting area to study. I happen to be studying it right now for a class on inclusion. Perhaps you would like to set out how the story of Anne Sullivan illustrates anything objective, as opposed to being the personal subjective (and subjectively told by each writer about it) story one deaf blind person. There is no need to drag in abortion or technology. You need only lay out your objective truth. You seem to imply over and over that it's ever so obvious. So teach us.

To: average joe who wrote (11547)	4/16/2001 5:01:55 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I agree with X on more than one count in this discussion. The subjective senses are highly suspect as we are often misled when relying soley on this aspect of our humanity. We are required to constantly test and verify our own perception of reality. The attractive things of this existance often serve as attractive lures to distract one from a chosen path based on an otherwise principled life. Anne Sullivan brought a particular focus to her work with Helen Keller that was not based on subjective senses alone. She had been impressed by her professor who stated that "Language is to the mind as light is to the eye." She worked hard to find any and all keys that would unlock the use of language for Helen. Language, is only partially referent to the subjective senses. In this existance we use many avenues to make sense out of our experiences. I also agree with X that we don't know the half of what is going on. We are by the nature of our human condition, limited in this way. The Universe and the study of it also provides keys to the enrichment of our existence. But it is dangerous to look upon it as a judge. We are simply too limited to judge the Universe or the creatures in it including our fellow human beings (Note: I am refering to judging the nature of things here not observable behavior and phenomenon). Unfortunately we have one word, judgement, which we use in very different contexts. We use this word to choose a path of behavior, to determine the rightness or wrongness of someone else's behavior, and in reference to the eternal condition of a person's soul. We can measure a behavior against a standard of right and wrong (the law for example). We cannot judge the intent of the law breaker. It is even true that we do not always clearly understand the goodness or badness of our own choices for right or wrong behavior (as we discussed in the case of Huckleberry Finn). Unlike X, I know things that are not simply tied to sensory observations. I have a very strong belief system. I believe that all things are knowable and known, but the human condition does not lend itself to allknowingness. I also believe that absolute truth and justice exists even though we don't get the half of it. I also figure that a life not founded on principle is a waste and a polutant to society.