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To: carranza2 who wrote (3144)4/22/2001 12:53:33 AM
From: marginmike  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
The Brittish through Civil service exams allowed for class breakdown as well. The US has overextended its economic strength. We will always be a power but the amount of supremacy is declining.



To: carranza2 who wrote (3144)4/22/2001 1:09:08 AM
From: oldirtybastard  Respond to of 74559
 
The best and brightest don't make policy, and if they did they would still make the mistakes people have made throughout history. When something is good and everyone knows it and wants a piece, everyone tries to take a piece, well you have to decide how much chocolatey goodness there is to go around before there is nothing anyone wants left...how could it end any other way?



To: carranza2 who wrote (3144)4/22/2001 4:00:00 AM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
Hi carranza2,

Excuse my force of habit, and the need to write some dissenting words, some consenting words, and some supplementary thoughts.

<<US has made it a policy to allow the best and brightest from the rest of the world to come to America to participate in its capitalist economy>>

Access to the center of the empire by folks on the periphery is an obligation, practiced in ancient Rome, Egypt, China, and in more modern Britain. The scale is of course different, but then the space in US is more. The scale is also different given convenience of travel.

The US likes to take in folks? Well, the Chinese like to travel. Look down south of your Caribbean location, and count up the percentages in each and every banana growing country.

I do not think the US has too be too concerned about the Chinese and Hindus, by the looks of Miami and California.

The barriers will be raised, by and by, else the US may be no more, as it is charging down uncharted path with its immigration policy.

<<Anyone with a good idea, drive, and energy can succeed here>>

This is very true. It is especially true of folks who can not otherwise make it happen back in their own old country. Says much about the folks who can, though, and thus possibly benefiting the average IQ of both sides. And, sometimes, they go back to the old country, end up buying Intel compatible chip house, and yikes, competes, successfully.

<<Witness the number of Hindu, Chinese, and other "foreigners" [I doubt that the word has any real meaning any more] ...>>

The word has a real meaning, and will take on a new meaning, as it already has in some US neighborhoods and states.

<<There is no class system that artificially prevents the best and the brightest, whatever their origins, from succeeding here>>

Well, not quite true, but no bones to pick, just a reminder that nothing is absolute. I visited my wife often whilst she was being finished at Harvard, and her circle of friends seemed quite different from the folks I meet on the street, all from different countries, all destined to rule, few consigned to follow.

Class system has been and, for better or worse, will always be apart of society, because we, in the aggregate, sometimes lack imagination for a better way.

<<The US is the closest thing to a meritocracy that the world has seen>>

Agreed, especially given the scale. The next closest things being the very ancient Chinese civil service system, and of course, the French Foreign Legion.

<<Other structural barriers to doing well, though they certainly exist, are far lesser than anywhere else at any time in history>>

So far, so good, and copied with alacrity elsewhere, but not in California, nor Hawaii, or for that matter, Cincinatti.

<<Real opportunity is a reality here, which is why the world's best and brightest want to be in the US>>

Real opportunity is, in fact, everywhere, for the taking, by the best and brightest. The taking is easier or harder, depending on taker, location, and time.

<<So long as there are no artificial barriers to making a success of one's life, and there are no competitors that can successfully adopt the US social/economic model, it will be a magnet for the world and will continue to be a superpower>>

As Japan nearly put the botch on the US and Russia the borsch, it does not follow that a competitor needs to adopt anything US to try and unseat the US or more likely, come up with some thing entirely old and succeed to clipping the US power to a significant and material degree.

The world is a sports field and chess board, and strategy interacts with strengths and weaknesses, producing outcome. Outcome in sport and chess is never certain.

This is precisely why the US really does not want to enable a multipolar world. Else, by your logic, there is absolutely nothing to worry about.

Chugs, Jay



To: carranza2 who wrote (3144)4/22/2001 11:19:37 AM
From: pezz  Respond to of 74559
 
I don't think our "actual" immigration policy has "best and brightest" restrictions on it.......T'would be nice....

Poverty is the driver of immigration and poverty is not restricted to the "best and brightest"

Predators,smart and dumb alike will take advantage of opportunity when they can.

Thus is seems to me that being a "magnet" for the world will just make us more like the world.