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To: Scumbria who wrote (141554)5/1/2001 10:24:04 AM
From: willcousa  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
If you guys would quit telling the poor that you will take care of them maybe they would have more regard for the value of an education.

On the topic I wrote about - you blew it off totally. As a caring liberal I would think you would be incensed and want your favorite democrats to do something about it. I would bet it rings true enough from your own experience.



To: Scumbria who wrote (141554)5/1/2001 11:19:54 AM
From: Thomas A Watson  Respond to of 769667
 
Dear scum, >>>> worked for several years as a public and private school teacher, and they all have the same problem.
Kids with no discipline, self esteem or expectations of success.

Ok scum, you said have multiple engineering degrees and you are the foremost expect on some kind microprocessor design and you have for several year taught as a as a public and private school teacher.

Well I know you were clueless about the simple process C02 dissolving in water. I also know you had no notion of the concept of absolute humidity. It also appear you don't understand the concept of thermal mass.

I wonder what you taught???? I have few expectations of you telling all of your teaching stories. ya know scum you do do well in the liberal art of telling woppers.

you all have a nice day now hear.

tom watson tosiwmee



To: Scumbria who wrote (141554)5/1/2001 12:30:24 PM
From: Don Pueblo  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 769667
 
Most Americans don't expect anything out of their kids

That's an interesting allegation. It is utterly false, but it's interesting that you would propose it as a fact that other conclusions of yours are based on.

I now have a much better understanding of why you hang out on this thread and not the two threads created for liberal discussion.

You have no idea what you are talking about. The president controls the stock market, Colin Powell is a "black person that acts like a white person", most parents expect nothing from their kids, blah, blah, blah.

Utter nonsense. You have formed some personal conclusions that are at odds with the world around you, and have invented data which support those conclusions in your own mind. There is a clinical word for that.

Unlike you, I have actually worked in real schools, and worked directly with students and their parents. I never once spoke to a parent that was not concerned about and interested in their child's progress in school. Every single parent I have ever spoken with was interested in the progress of their child...the majority, regardless of their political leanings, were very interested.

In all the time I worked with students, I came across one - one student - that appeared not to care at all about his own progress in school. He was a convicted criminal.

But here is the clincher:

all...Kids with no discipline, self esteem or expectations of success

Coming from someone who claims to have been a teacher, this is an astounding statement. From that statement alone, it is quite clear that you have no idea what teaching is about, what students are about, or what the role of a teacher is. The only real ex-teacher that would ever make a statement like that is an ex-teacher that was so bad, and screwed up so badly, that he or she could not face the reality of his or her own failure and had to blame it on the students and the parents. The only actual parent that would make such a statement would be one that had completely totally failed as a parent...in short, it does not look like you really are a parent or an ex-teacher.

The vast, vast majority of parents want their children to do well in school. Many of them expect it. If there is a defining difference in parents, the difference might be broken down into two sub-groups; one that feels they and their child are responsible for his or her progress, and one that feels that someone else (the "school", the "government", the teacher, or whatever other reason why) is responsible for their child's progress.

The crux of the disagreement that you have has nothing to do with parents or students. It has to do with your own inability to accept responsibility for your own failure. Everyone fails at something, sometime. The only person that can get back up and have another go at it is the person that understands that no matter what the circumstances, the individual himself is ultimately responsible his own success or failure.

You can take all the drugs and weapons out of the schools and there would not be much of a change until the parents and the students learn that in the final analysis, the "school", the "government", or whatever else they are blaming things on will NEVER get better until they change their own individual behavior. If it's OK for your leaders to be criminals, then you'll get criminal leaders. If it's OK for you to be high on drugs, then that's what you'll get in your school system. If it's OK for you to give your own hard-earned money to someone who refuses to work for a living, then that's what you'll get in the school system. If it's OK for you to dismiss a human being as a piece of trash because he doesn't go to your church, then don't be shocked if he is slightly offended. If it's OK for you to judge someone because their skin is a different color, then don't be shocked if that person gets real, real pissed off at some point.

Don't you get that? Whatever crutch you need to explain why you failed and why it's not really your own fault, whatever reason somebody else engineered that resulted in your failure, whatever is "good" and "right" for you and makes the other guy the culprit, that will turn out to be the crack in the foundation. You can blame me or anyone else all you want for your failure, but I don't care, and it will never ever solve your problem.

What you have failed to fully understand is that any rational person who reads the tripe you type can see instantly that you are not making any sense. If you wish to present yourself as an authority on something in order to argue about it, and you make idiotic non-factual "statements" which you claim are facts, then you lose the argument, by definition.

The goofy stuff you type serves no purpose other than to temporarily make you feel better personally.

I think you're on this thread not only because you blame other people for your own failures, but because if you went over to the liberal discussion threads and conversed with the actual liberals, the ones that can actually argue the liberal agenda intelligently, you would be instantly exposed as a fraud.

You might be better off just accepting your own role in whatever it was that happened, recognizing that you're not alone...most of us have been in the same position at some point...and getting on with whatever it was you wanted to do before things TEMPORARILY went sour FOR YOU.



To: Scumbria who wrote (141554)5/1/2001 2:21:26 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Schools have plenty of problems. Teachers without credentials, teachers without any concept of classroom management, administrators who turn their backs on problem solving and support parents out of fear of lawsuits. Administrators that manage the assets of their schools poorly and promote athletics over academics and schools boards that are fixated on appearances and not results.

The local school district here has complained for years about not having enough money to repair roofs etc. and now they're proposing 3 new gymnasium buildings for the middle schools.

Blue-slipping students for unacceptable behavior is a mere round trip to the counselor's office where they get the briefest of admonitions and are returned to class......unchanged and indeed unchallenged.

Sure, parents are to blame, there are certain shared rules of behavior that are necessary to turn a school into a civil community, but you cannot desert those who would attempt this and serve the undeserving.