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Politics : The Left Wing Porch -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (4749)	5/9/2001 10:39:36 AM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 6089

Nor did she find a compelling reason to keep statutes on the books which ban not only sodomy but any sexual act not designed to create a baby. My word. Those must have been fun times. That should mean about 90% of the post-pubertal population behind bars... 80% for sex, 10% for under-age, and the remaining 10% liars. Still, I wonder if any cases made it to court... I can see a great case for cross-charging witnesses for voyeurism <g> ROFL. Those are absurd. Still, in this country there are near-forgotten and unrepealed laws (often, incidentally, from the Puritan-run Commonwealth period - 1649-1660) which, for example, ban the consumption of Xmas pudding except on Xmas Day. So I guess I can't gloat. pretty much all the 'liberal' wing seems personally libertarian in most things - This seems to apply to religion, but I haven't noticed it applying to things PC. Possibly I project my own bias - I'm personally as well as politically liberal - but the LWP regulars seem more 'undecided' on the relatively rare recent occasions that PC matters have appeared, or at least opinions seem more widely spread? Happy to be corrected - on the BR with a link if it might be provocative, natch...

To: Lane3 who wrote (4749)	5/9/2001 10:52:45 AM
From: Win Smith	Respond to of 6089

Karen, at the risk of rabble rousing, I have a somewhat oft-stated theory about libertarian vs. the religious right in the GOP. Libertarians have philosophical consistency, and a natural affinity for the classic pro-business side of the GOP, but libertarians don't have the votes to elect anybody. The RR has a lot more populist appeal. Goes back to Nixon's southern strategy, and farther back to the politics of the post-reconstruction south. Working politicians might tend toward the libertarian side by affinity, but philosophical consistency doesn't count for much at election time, so they got to appeal to the broader base, base though it may be. The other problem with the libertarian line within the GOP is that when there's federal pork to be had, business makes sure that our government by paid lobbyists works the way it's supposed to, and that's a hard battle to fight against. Did you ever look at the state-by-state breakdown of the federal budget? Conservative states in the south and west do pretty good at getting more money out of the federal government than they put into it. The losers tend to be in the liberal northeast and midwest. My main problem with libertarians is that on a practical level, our government by lobbyists seems close enough to one dollar, one vote already.