To: Glenn D. Rudolph who wrote (124861 ) 5/10/2001 3:27:22 AM From: Skeeter Bug Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 164684 gdr, reality puts us where we are. if we do the best we can given our circumstances (good or bad), then we have done pretty well. adding value to others lives is not just about finances. it is about sharing time and life's lessons. i'm really looking forward to giving my new child (due any day) all the insight i have. my father never did that with me. wrt to ceos. man, don't go there, it is a sore spot with me. i once worked directly under a vp at a company and i was totally underwhelmed. i laugh and say not much changed between 3 and 60 - each age group just repeats "gimme" over and over regardless of the situation. ;-) but, there is some truth there. he was busy congratulating folks for "great work" when they put in a 16 hour day to close the month/quarter. i was busy thinking how badly screwed up we were to strain our production system by not balancing our work load and material throughout the time frame to avoid these kind of last minute disasters that occur every month. i guess i just didn't get it ;-) like anything else, though, there are good ones and there are bad ones. i think that image plays a HUGE role. therefore, many of these guys spend 7 parts on image and 3 parts on substance. especially the ceos for hire (as opposed to business owners who are ceo). i'm in mfg and i can tell you the exec that understands how to identify and improve mfg processes is rare. the first thing i did while at my new job was to update a quote model that was so bad it was silly. it still needs some work, but at least it isn't absurd. then i changed the way they erroneously reported production. i mean, did the ceo and vp really think production went from 20% one day to 120% the next day? apparently. the ceo would send "what the hell happened" and "you guys are fantastic" notes! one look at that and i KNEW something was REALLY wrong. ;-) now i find out they are applying statistics incorrectly when trying to gauge process variability. hello!?!?!? they've had 2 qa mgrs, one qa director and 2 vps that didn't realize this stuff or even know it could be an issue. i do have to say i'm happy with the current vp at our company. he is aggressive, but reasonable person and has a good understanding of the macro issues. i've worked for a lot worse.