To: Mitch Blevins who wrote (563 ) 5/10/2001 9:35:28 PM From: gao seng Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1112 That is about the weakest straw man argument I have ever seen. I have a theory that people who make stupid strawman arguments are actually from an alternate dimension. And when inter dimensional travel becomes available from our dimension, I will have the evidence I need. And I can proclaim that I was right all along. Did you even know about ring species before that article? Do you know what causes the phenomena? Exactly which category of speciation do ring species fall in? How many types of equilibrium theories are there and how do they affect the argument? What about gradulism vs peaks and troughs and entropy? I asked you a simple question. I was willing to discuss it with you if you could accept that most of the stuff you posted was from a web site that you don't even understand. i even posted a link to a thread on google that contains your identical post of "examples". It just supports your belief system. I am in favor of public and private funding of biological research. A lot of my posts on investment related boards are concerned with biotech. While my picks are not great, they do include companies like GNSL RIGL CRA. You can view my picks here (http://www.siliconinvestor.com/subject.aspx?subjectid=50515). I am convinced that many diseases come from viruses, and that genetic research and immune system research will provide handsome rewards. So don't come in here like I am some holy rolling creationist scientist. The debate is contentious, but I am willing to discuss it. But only in a civil manner. And in a different thread. I noticed there is an Evolution thread on SI. But I am not anticipating allocating material resources to it, if any. But frankly, I do not think speciation is important as an explanation on whether or not there is a God. Biology may be a great investment vehicle, but quantum research is very interesting. Some links: I would like to post the articles, but they are too long. I hope they get read though. Kabbalah, consciousness and the universe Rabbi Samuel Cohon Introduction: There are rather amazing similarities between quantum physics, cosmology, and ancient writings of the Kabbalah. Recently I had the honor of co-teaching a class on "Kabbalah, consciousness and the universe" with Rabbi Samuel Cohon at Temple Emanuel in Tucson. Reprinted below are 1) the course syllabus, 2) a class handout I prepared entitled "To get to the other side - Kabbalah, consciousness and the universe", and 3) High Holiday Yom Kippur sermon by Rabbi Cohon entitled "The origins of awareness".consciousness.arizona.edu The page concludes with: What does this flow, this interconnection of all consciousness have to do with us? Well, potentially, only everything. For the central goal of Yom Kippur is to arouse our own awareness, our own consciousness of holiness and God in this world. And if we can become aware of what seems to be both a religious truth and a scientific one-that we are connected to all awareness, and that consciousness is an implicit gift of our universe and our God-well, then we may actually come to live lives that reflect that constant presence. There is a beautiful passage that describes true prayer in a Hasidic work called Liqutim Yekarim, published in Lvov in 1863. It captures the essence of what we are trying to accomplish today, and what we might successfully accomplish this year: The purpose of all prayer is to uplift the words, To return them to their Source above. The world was created by the downward flow of letters: Our task is to form those letters into words And take them back to God. If you come to know this dual process, Your prayer may be joined To the constant flow of Creation-- Word to word, voice to voice, Breath to breath, thought to thought. The words fly upward and come before God As God turns to look at the ascending word, Life flows through all the worlds And prayer receives its answer. All this happens in an instant And all this happens continually; Time has no meaning in the sight of God. The divine spring is ever-flowing; Make yourself into a channel To receive the energy* from above. [original: waters] On this Yom Kippur, may we each become aware of that flow of Divine energy; and may we use our own connections with it and all those around us to make our lives become a blessing. And then we will come to be aware, like Naftali of Ropshitz, of whom we serve... Ken yehi ratson. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another good article on Quantum Consciousness Quantum Consciousness? Welcome To The Mind-Boggling World Of Brain/Mind Research. Check Your Tired, Old Assumptions At The Door. By Dan Huffdesert.net