To: nasdaqian who wrote (14094 ) 5/10/2001 7:19:58 PM From: Skeeter Bug Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 42834 >>They don't have access to decent education now, so a painful transition period won't be much of a loss.<< now it is a loss? i guess my economic equipment overwhelmed you ;-) >>and my supposed lack of it<<so a painful transition period won't be much of a loss . wow! your words are more telling than anything i could say. it won't be a loss to you so, therefore, it isn't much of a loss? what a way to show your concern for fellow human beings! you go, buoooooy! ;-) confident people don't resort to... "You're full of shit" and other ad hominem. they don't need to. they intelligently debate issues. ad hominem is a tool for the insecure with a lack of debatable material. >>What we have now is a crisis. The sooner we do something about it, the sooner all your poor brethren can benefit. 'Cause they aren't doing very well under your watchful, concerned eyes.<< nas, first, your simple views are wrong. newsflash: life isn't black and white - there is a lot of grey. this system isn't mine. in gen'l, it sucks. the poorer the neighborhood, the worse it is. is this too difficult to grasp? i agree changes should be made. just not the simple solution the political hacks (with agendas!) have spoonfed you. i'd bet you wouldn't write off your childs future the way you would so enthusiastically write off the "poor" kids futures. i'm not sure which is worse. being intellectually inconsistent or screwing up you own kid's education so you can get a simple "solution." >>But the powers that be will never admit that the system is seriously enough broken and that competition and market incentives may be better than the socialist monopoly in play now. It works in so many places, but not education?<< i totally agree. the teachers union and education officials put their self interests above the children and voila... total disaster. the parents could make a difference but they are worried about their own selfish issues (what could be more important than a child's development and education!). pure self interest leads to many problems and allows people to justify treating others poorly. why is it ok to write off poor kids but not write you off? realistically, the only difference is one's self centered point of view. it is a scary realization that all those folks screwing you over think like you do - they value themselves over you and consider you acceptable collateral damage like you consider the transition kids acceptable collateral damage. >>Your crocodile tears<< who's crying? i just treat people with a common courtesy and respect. i don't want people to write me off so i don't write them off. i don't like people screwing me so i don't screw them. they may try or succeed at screwing me one way or the other. however, i never want to adopt their miserable approach. >>and talk of more analysis before doing something makes you sound like a typical, class-war democrat.<< more ad hominem? yes, nas, the world is made up 2 or 3 buckets so the simple minded can grasp the concepts ;-) i know it makes you feel more in "control" if you can label those you disagree with. the more scathing the label (in your mind), the better you feel. better go listen to rush to get your rush and feel better about yourself. ;-) i'm most assuredly not a demican and i'm not a republicrat. i was very glad to see the last manipulative and dishonest president leave office and i'm glad his dishonest, patronizing vp didn't win the election. >>How long are your poor friends going to have to wait until you-who-know-best will allow them a decent chance at an education.<< that isn't the question. i'm all for improved education. however, i'm not willing to write people off as collateral damage as easily as you are. well, actually, you wouldn't write yourself off. probably not your family and friends, either. just "other people." newsflash, the folks screwing you view you as "other people." i just give people the same respect i'd want myself. obviously, many folks disagree with what i see as a reasoned, intellectually honest and consistent approach. >>Who are you? Bob Gephart? Ed Kennedy. I wonder how enamored they are of public schools.<< let's go over this again. more name calling. was there a study that i missed relating name calling to elevated iqs? ;-) bob and ed are busy enriching themselves and those they call their own at the expense of others (their definition of "other people"). but they aren't the only ones, are they? does the black pot have a right to be mad at the kettle for being black? happens all the time... hmmmmmmmmm... those two may be enamored with public schools. however, they have selfish interests not aligned with society (can ya relate?). i, most assuredly, am not enamored with public schools. i hope that doesn't hurt your head and dislodge your oversimplified paradigm.