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To: pgerassi who wrote (134945)	5/14/2001 5:43:48 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Pete, <Clawhammer will break the Intel Server monolith, Sledgehammer will break off chunks of it, and Jackhammer (n-way ccNUMA) will pound it to dust.> Clawhammer has slipped to October 2002, Sledgehammer will join Mustang in oblivion, and Jackhammer is a figment of your imagination. Tenchusatsu

To: pgerassi who wrote (134945)	5/14/2001 5:46:51 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Peter Principle - Re: "In Q3-02, Intel will get hammered! " What a joke ! In Q3 02 - AMD will provide an excuse why the Hamsters are Delayed Again !

To: pgerassi who wrote (134945)	5/14/2001 5:50:49 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

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To: pgerassi who wrote (134945)	5/14/2001 6:00:21 PM
From: fingolfen	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 186894

In Q3-02, Intel will get hammered! P4 will be a footnote like i432 or a foulup like Itanium and IA-64. Clawhammer will break the Intel Server monolith, Sledgehammer will break off chunks of it, and Jackhammer (n-way ccNUMA) will pound it to dust. Do you have anything meaningful to say, or is this just another load of hyperbole? Let's look at the timeframe here and do some roadmap projections. AMD is not going to be able to release the 'hammer' series of microprocessors on their vanilla 0.13 micron process. They are waiting for the SOI version of the 0.13 micron process to release the hammer series. Architectural details of the K8 series are also sketchy, so commenting on their performance or any issues which have cropped up during deisgn is a bit of an act of Hubris, yes? Intel is already at 1.7GHz on a 0.18 micron process with the P4. Intel will be releasing >2.0GHz P4's with the release of the P4 on the 0.13 micron process in Q4 of this year. That will be, at minimum, 3 quarters ahead of the K8 series. McKinley will be pilot released in Q4 of this year as well, looking at a Q1/Q2 02 full release. McKinley appears to be running initially on 0.18 micron. There will undoubtedly be a 0.13 micron shrink of this chip as well (though it is unclear whether or not there will be a 0.13 micron shrink of the Merced core, help Ten?). The K8 series of microprocessors would undoubtedly be an exceptionally strong force in the microprocessor market if they were available today competing against today's microprocessors. The problem is that they AREN'T out there today. They will NOT be competing against today's microprocessors in 15-18 months when they are released (assuming AMD maintains it's current schedule). Given Intel's 18-month process development cycle, the hammer series may not even be competing against the 0.13 micron generation of chips, they may be up against Intel 0.10 micron products. I therefore fail to see how you can make such bold statements with so many variables still in question... Characterizing AMD as the "Luke Skywalker" playing foil to the "Evil Empire" of Intel is not terribly accurate, meaningful, or original. Star Wars premiered in 1977... and it was a classic "good vs. evil epic tale" then... extending that to the microprocessor market with mindless cheerleading really comes across as juvenile and pathetic...