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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: 2MAR$ who wrote (13757)	5/19/2001 4:59:53 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

It is hard to respect that which one finds repellent. I find almost every God humans worship repellent and I think those who believe in these Gods (like Greg) find the idea of not believing equally repellent. There can be little respect for ideas which go against the core of one's belief. I hope we can still treat each other with humanity- but I have absolutely no respect for beliefs I find cruel and inhumane, and people who hold those beliefs are unable to give respect to my beliefs- or so I am forced to conclude (based on all behavioral evidence). I would, of course, respect the rights of people to hold these beliefs, but in my heart I will never be able to respect the ideas inherent in the beliefs. Cruelty, xenophobia, and prejudice of all kinds, the degradation of women (as I understand the degradation of women), will never have my respect, and alas these things are found in abundance in the literature that spawns human religions as well as in the practices of religious devotees. Sigh To the true believer lack of belief in their belief is an insult. To explain the bases for one's lack of belief is a further insult, no matter how rational it might seem to the person trying to explain. The rigid beliefs of all humanity, in so many separate Gods, is quite the large scale joke (imo).

To: 2MAR$ who wrote (13757)	5/19/2001 5:27:27 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Context is king when it comes to the bible or any other use of language. The quotes are out of context and do not support the points being put forth. I do find that insulting. When one passage is explained as to why it is not necessary to conclude that it is an outright contradiction, but only an apparent one, it is ignored and another one is thrown down in it's place. The problem is obviously not a lack of evidence for God, but rather it is the suppression of what is clear. All this niggly piggly crap about contradictions in the Bible is just a dodge, and a bunch of red herrings, designed to avoid personal responsibility to a personal God for all the sins we have committed in our lives. "I am less concerned with a God that sends disease and pestilence, plagues, and floods upon living breathing creatures and people in this world , and more tempted to seek out a God that is more benevolent and all-embracing and enlightened than that." Your god is "disease and pestilence, plagues, and floods" Do you read your own books? Benevolence and morality is simply a luxury that your philosophy cannot afford. It's all an illusion, I thought you of all people would understand that. You are obviously trapped by desire, or maybe your just wrong! I don't demand that you believe as I do, but God has revealed Himself to be one to whom reverence and fear is an appropriate response. Any fisherman that does not fear the sea is a fool. How much more are we that do not fear the one who created the universe. You should be afraid, you should be very afraid. Greg