To: The Philosopher who wrote (13784 ) 5/19/2001 10:11:33 PM From: 2MAR$ Respond to of 82486 Chris I think the idea of the feelings of persecution stem from an even wider array of secular leaning in the general population towards deism and agnosticism .... and indifference. There is "change" in the wind...and the churches are full of apprehension...to the point of wanting more recognition and support from identifying with the state. This has been almost a trending phenomena into this century as the churches most profound understandings are lacking the depth any longer and offer not much other than an afterlife based theology , that doesn't even comprehend itself . There is a reason for this ennui, and it has much to do with what is real , and what was obviously made up that many are coming to realize , at the last . This wont precipitate the final judgement day , it will just be the beginning of the formation of a newer 21rst century religious outlook in a further globalized world community. A human being needs more than sermons and more than ancient outdated scriptures , belief in miracles , which will no longer really be able to draw many sincere minds and eyeballs. There are so many other real aspects of our expanded knowledge now in our civilization that shows even more of the miracle of life....than all the stories of walking on the water , parting seas , rising from the dead etc etc. It was posted earlier that all of Christianity hinges on whether Jesus was risen from the dead etc. I find this almost irrelevant and appalling to place such a weight on what was/is something so obviously inserted in the text to inspire/dazzel early folk 2000 yrs ago to convert. Modern man needs much more than these kinds myths and miracles to be moved to believe, and there are so many miracles newly discovered everyday.... but there is always a reason to believe...but some stories just lose there spell-binding force over time , Charleton Heston is getting older ....and real Saints seem all too few.