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To: Elmer who wrote (135620)	5/21/2001 12:14:26 AM
From: Dan3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Re: And just why would the P4 be a fraud but the Athlon is fine? Because P4's evidently do throttle, whether or not the system is correctly configured. Like any system, sometimes P4s crash, too. Athlons don't throttle, and are less likely to crash than P4s (since they can handle more extreme conditions and don't suffer from "hot spots") That's why. Dan

To: Elmer who wrote (135620)	5/21/2001 12:22:28 AM
From: THE WATSONYOUTH	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

And just why would the P4 be a fraud but the Athlon is fine? Athlons crash. Athlons have no safety mechanism yet you call the P4 a fraud. You are comparing two very different issues. Assuming AMD only uses the new thermal monitor in Palominos to prevent catastrophic failures due to for example heat sink and/or fan related issues (we will have to wait and see on this), then it is not the same as clock throttling running normal real word applications in a system which includes a properly designed and maintained conventional low cost thermal solution. You know this and yet you persist to equate the two very different issues. Actually, I think you are the one that is the fraud. THE WATSONYOUTH

To: Elmer who wrote (135620)	5/21/2001 12:26:51 AM
From: Jim McMannis	Respond to of 186894

RE:"And just why would the P4 be a fraud but the Athlon is fine? Athlons crash. Athlons have no safety mechanism yet you call the P4 a fraud. Crashing is good but throttling is bad? Your AMDite hypocrisy is showing." Always jumping to conclusions. Let me put it this way. If a chip burns up because of heavy usage then it's clocked too high...anything less is a fraud. If it's a Mhz sells- ploy then its even more suspect. This goes for AMD, Intel whomever. Jim