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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (14044)	5/22/2001 3:15:22 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

You mean God couldn't have stopped all the holocausts of history, even if he she or it wanted to? Because if he she or it could have stopped them, then he she or it is partly- or even mostly, or maybe completely responsible. Depending on how substantial cause and effect are- an element of reality I can't be certain of. So I won't apportion blame in any specific way.

To: Greg or e who wrote (14044)	5/22/2001 3:47:11 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Toothless describes the inability of your philosophic position to make all those moral denunciations that your so fond of That sentence is meaningless. Also, please drop the "your" bit. Just write "you are" if you can't remember the contraction. You have been doing this for months. You did directly lay the holocaust at God's feet just a couple of posts ago, at the same time you ascribed the solution to the same problem to men This seems rather odd, as I don't profess to believe in God! I certainly do not believe in an evil God! Only believers are required to view God as responsible for all creation. Now, God did say that he wanted all to be saved: 1 Tim.2:3-4 "God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved." 2 Pet.3:9 "The Lord is ... not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." But he also insisted (in another contradiction!), that he made wicked people to serve His own ends. In other words--with Hell as their destination, regardless of any efforts they might make to avoid their fate. Perhaps that is what you were thinking of? Lately, your posts have shown much confusion, and you are hard to follow. Perhaps if you just stick with the argument, and try to resist the temptation of introducing shadows in an attempt to obscure... Pr.16:4 "The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."