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To: Elmer who wrote (135930)	5/23/2001 11:15:23 AM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

For all our panic stricken AMDork(tm PEngle '01) friends, here is a datapoint on P4 die temperature. Now it's only 1 datapoint and it is from the Inquirer, but it's shows the die temperature both under heavy load and idle. BTW - software is available from Intel to display the current die temp. theinquirer.net A snippet: The P4 system shows the temperature of the CPU, the memory and the firmware hub. Reports of P4s running too hot and incurring a performance hit due to clock throttling seem to be a little exaggerated - on a warm afternoon (ambient temp 22-23C), our 1.7GHz P4 maxes out at 58 degrees when running at 100 per cent utilisation with the UD cancer analysis client. With the UD software stopped, the temperature immediately drops, bottoming out at around 30C. And that's with only two of the four fans in the Cooler Master case connected and using a commendably-silent prototype heatsink from QuietPC. The enormous and weighty standard EKL sink supplied by Intel would probably run a degree or two cooler, but we couldn't face the additional noise, so we left it in the cupboard.

To: Elmer who wrote (135930)	5/23/2001 12:31:03 PM
From: Rob Young	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

<You're the one who is always talking about slips, now you're crowing about a vapor Alpha? If you expect those scores to hold as the fastest they better get here quick. No, I'm not claiming Merced will best them but I could as easily claim it's not a matter of if EV68 will drop behind the competition but when.> Fair enough... but we can see how fast P4 needs to run to hit numbers similar to that. At 1.3 GHz EV68 hasn't run out of clock, from what I gather. EV68 drop behind? You might have to get real creative to figure out who will do that and when. I'm not saying it won't happen, quite the contrary. It will happen that someone exceeds 800 SpecInt2000 and 1000 SpecFp2000 (the reported 1.3 GHz numbers). But if we collectively make honest speculation, we see it won't happen until 2H2002 from all I can determine, and EV68/EV69 will be clocking higher than that. So it looks like Alpha may be besting an Alpha then. And yes... speculation on my part. Who do you think will hit 800/1000 besides Alpha and when? Rob