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To: Neocon who wrote (149056)	5/26/2001 5:59:36 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Neo, my theory on why the the atomic bombs worked is call the slime coward clinton theory. In WW2 the cowardly emperor of Japan sent who cares how many to kill and be killed. He was safe even as the skies over Japan were filled with hundreds of bombers reducing Japan to rubble. The emperor was safe and could hide from or avoid thousand pound bombs. But then one plane appeared and one bomb and in a flash you was history. Now the emperor being a cowardly vacant clinton mind figured that there was no place to hide when 100 bomber showed up. So he surrendered. Clinton faced the same problem and did the deal to admit finally he was a lying sack of piggy vomit as he new without the power to twist truth and folks like Ascroft and Ted Olson his sorry butt would have been smoked. My father also may have been saved as he served in the Solomon's during WW2. tom watson tosiwmee

To: Neocon who wrote (149056)	5/28/2001 4:02:48 PM
From: ZenWarrior	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 769670

I will not debate whether the atomic bomb saved lives or not, but I will say this: it has been International law for years that civilians should not be targeted ( dannen.com ). Truman told U.S. citizens that he was targeting a military base ( dannen.com ), when in fact some 500,000 mothers, children, and civilians were killed. Minutes from the Los Alamos target committee are interesting: Dr. Stearns described the work he had done on target selection. He has surveyed possible targets possessing the following qualification: (1) they be important targets in a large urban area of more than three miles in diameter, (2) they be capable of being damaged effectively by a blast, and (3) they are unlikely to be attacked by next August. Dr. Stearns had a list of five targets which the Air Force would be willing to reserve for our use unless unforeseen circumstances arise. These targets are: (1) Kyoto - This target is an urban industrial area with a population of 1,000,000. It is the former capital of Japan and many people and industries are now being moved there as other areas are being destroyed. From the psychological point of view there is the advantage that Kyoto is an intellectual center for Japan and the people there are more apt to appreciate the significance of such a weapon as the gadget. (Classified as an AA Target) Hiroshima - This is an important army depot and port of embarkation in the middle of an urban industrial area. It is a good radar target and it is such a size that a large part of the city could be extensively damaged. There are adjacent hills which are likely to produce a focussing effect which would considerably increase the blast damage. Due to rivers it is not a good incendiary target. (Classified as an AA Target)... dannen.com Very interesting historical documents here: dannen.com I suppose it's a question of whether the means justified the end? I'm personally not convinced... we were hardly any better than Hitler himself by killing all those innocent civilians. We lost 16,000 soldiers on Okinawa. Japan lost 107,539, plus another 23,764 sealed in caves or buried by the Japanese themselves. 1/2 the total losses were civilian. We lost 6,800 in Iowa Jima. The world as a whole probably would have lost some 500,000 lives after all was through, though Japan was on the brink of destruction at this point already. Heck, Japan's great battleship Yamato was sent to Okinawa w/ just enough fuel to get there... it was, expectedly, obliterated. But war is not a war between civilians, and we can in no way legitimize the killing of 500,000 women, children and innocent civilians. This has more than helped us look like an evil empire... the country to be feared and untrusted. Anyone who believes we would ever of had a Cold War w/ USSR/Russia, or that China/Russia would mistrust us at all after WWII if we had not dropped the atomic bombs... well, they are fools. Because when you do such terrible things, it comes back to haunt you down the road... war would seldom happen if it weren't for fear and mistrust... and a sense that there is an "evil" in the world. We nationalist Americans see China as evil even today, but if we looked at our own history just as closely, we would see a nation no better off... in fact much, much worse. - Zen