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To: Greg or e who wrote (14734)	5/28/2001 5:40:35 PM
From: Solon	Respond to of 82486

Mine to. Would you create a Law about it? I would. Laws don't prevent pychopathic behaviour. They merely punish it. There would be no criminals unless outsiders came in. In the case that someone on the island changed (perhaps a brain tumour), and did something that hurt any or all the community--appropriate consequences would follow. if your* not twitching, you should be* Because she is going to be tortured forever in Hell??

To: Greg or e who wrote (14734)	5/28/2001 5:57:33 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I fail to see how you can divorce your personal approach from your public stance, especially since there are probably, children being molested right now as we debate the matter. And telling children about the rath of a vengeful God , and filling their heads with the absurd archaic notion of eternal hell and the children being "fallen" creatures full of sin , is not a form of abuse and molestation ? Can you explain to me , what the "good" is in absolute terms, of exposing young children to the spectre of an image of a man being tortured on a cross at very young ages can possibly do to enhance their sense of a safe and intrinsicly good world ? I don't think you can greg , explain that common terrible practice . If I would make one law for all peoples of the earth , it would be that no child has to be forced to view such a horror as the Crucifixion at any tender age. But then again , you have no qualms about it . Only Barbarians would dream of presenting such an image to young children ...a man being tortured on a cross. A five year old has any inkling of what the Rapture of Crucifixion means ? I think you produce only a mangled and frightened human beings, at early ages with such medieval uglinesses. regards Mars PS: there is an Island that has almost "Nil" child molestation ...it is called Japan.

To: Greg or e who wrote (14734)	5/28/2001 6:14:58 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

since there are probably, children being molested right now as we debate the matter Greg, there are no children that I know of being molested. If there were, I would do whatever it took to protect them. I assure you of that. I don't know why you keep suggesting otherwise. I simply think that humans decide what's right and wrong, not God, in which/whom I don't believe. In this place and time not only I but the society in which I live think that child molestation is wrong, wrong, wrong. I'm prepared to do my part to uphold that. Would you create a Law about it? There already is a law both where you live and where I live. If there weren't, I'd vote to create one. On my island, a law probably wouldn't be necessary. I only mentioned it because I am "trying" to communicate to you that if all morality is reduced to only personal boundaries, then you have no right to impose yours on the pedophile, or anyone else for that matter. Let me try again. If you approach right and wrong in society from a homogeneous religious perspective, then you take God's laws and make them illegal on Earth. Very straight-forward and tidy. If you approach right and wrong in society from a secular perspective, you start with the individual senses of right and wrong of the citizens and you integrate them somehow into a written set of laws plus an informal set of do's and don'ts that are wrong but not illegal. This amalgamation does not coincide with everyone's personal sense of right and wrong but we make do. If the scheme turns out to have some flaws, we change it. If we as a people change our minds over time, we change it. If we approach right and wrong in a small, isolated group like the island, we get to know the participants, get a feel for their integrity, maturity, commonality of purpose, habits, values, etc. If we're pretty much in sync and fairly evolved humans, we may not need any formal rules. There's no reason to create rules just to have them. If there are problems that require rules to solve, then we create rules. This is what all informal small groups do. In its simplest form, it's the way a man and a woman turn into a couple. Sometimes they don't have to have formal rules, they just naturally blend and accommodate each other. Sometimes they need to go through a process to establish that dirty clothes go in the hamper and not on the floor. It all depends on the people. if your not twitching, you should be There's nothing inconsistent about my values. We're just not communicating well enough yet for you to see that. I'm a very introspective person and I've been figuring me out for 58 years now. I think I have a coherent approach. It's just conceptually different from yours. And this message board format doesn't lend itself to systematic presentation of complex matters. Karen