To: average joe who wrote (14966 ) 5/31/2001 2:31:14 PM From: Solon Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486 I could have conjectured that this tribal God was (like all tribal gods) severely limited, but regardless of that, had spent time on earth after arriving in His alien craft. However, a space traveller would not have had the sun around a flat earth mentality--to mention only one example. It is unnecessary to suppose any kind of substance to any of the countless gods of mankind. Occam's razor forbids it. Everything can be explained by the obvious, so there is no need for all the tribes of earth to flatter their imagination with their very own specialized god. Anthropologists have seen many modern examples of the God process at work in isolated primitive cultures. This comports perfectly with how other cultures throughout history have invented and relied on their gods. When the known explains everything, there is no need to seek imaginary explanations. In the beginning, God could not have gone outside (all that was )--to get more. If the universe contains God, then the universe IS God. That is my opinion. God is not some depraved nut with a beard hiding in the sky or up in the mountains. The only God possible, IMO, is the one that Spinoza and Einstein were able to conceive of. The idea of a PERSONAL God is an idea that ants have indulged in ever since they realized how wonderful they were. The gods of mankind have only cared and acted responsibly, to the degree that those imagining Him were capable of exhibiting, admiring, and respecting those qualities. The God that people imagine provides a litmus test for showing the degree of reason, compassion, and civilization that those people have evolved to. For modern, scientific people to still be worshipping a Tribal God conceived by primitives--this is a self assessment that the human race has nothing to be proud of. Our imagination of God is the imagination of what we consider the greatest, the ultimate, the most morally worthy, and the most loving authority imaginable. Primitives thought a great God was one who could and would exterminate every living human outside of their own family grouping (except of course, for young virgin boys and girls). Does this also reflect the limits of the modern imagination and expectation?? It is time for the church to get rid of the idea that any God worth His salt must hate all of humankind. The concepts of unearned sin, and eternal torture are unworthy to a civilized human race. They are illogical and inhuman. And there really oughta be a law...