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To: Neocon who wrote (15177)	6/1/2001 6:42:55 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

There is a big difference between the Middle Way and the Aristotle's idea of the mean, actually. Thanks for the answer , especially on Dasein. That is hugely fascinating , and ties much together in a mysterious way . In what may have been experienced earliest by the great pagan philosophers , an essential contemplation of life that we lack so much today . You're very informative as always , but the differences you see are an insight to me of some of the limitations of your reasoning ...you intentionally steer away from the aspect of each man ( Siddartha/Aristotle) uncovering the need for establishing a center ( equilibrium) to our varied states being for there to be any consistent cognizance of that extensive being at all. Or that fulfillment of Self in the Dharma/Order/relationship between the dynamics of the inner and outer worlds of phenomena , mind , conciousness, and nature mixed within us. What is possible for man to see or intuit is as much proportionate for us , as is our ability for us to rule our passions and desires when engaging the world . For in knowing our Selves , we at some point must be the observer. One detaches , one observes , one listens , one pays attention, one intuits one cares deeply enough.... and ------> one learns many new novel things .<g> This is how science , mathematics, astronomy , philosophy & all the arts are born , and our most startling awareness of discovery of the energies of Self/Being . Siddartha said know thyself and be real in fulfilling your part in this order/Dharma,follow the Middle Way & act reasonably. Aristotle said everything in moderation , seek virtue of reason over excess that leads to deficiency . Defeciency of what , Neo ? Of insight ,clarity or reason and gradually opening up to the experience of the order of being ? ;-) PS: for a pagan Aristotle seemed to cover quite a bit of ground . Know thyself ...or know your "Being "! Dasein....

To: Neocon who wrote (15177)	6/1/2001 7:00:57 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

" Aristotle's direct influence was Plato..." Yes I can gather that is true , for Plato was his teacher. Much in the same way the apostle John would have been influenced by Jesus Christ the "Hero " in the drama/tragedy/play we know as the "gospels " , was his teacher as well . Therefore influenced him.... And " know thyself " , i think is what he taught him , humilty and moderation. recurring themes they seem to be , but much distorted in that middle eastern lands where mystics ,magicians , messiahs and wizards wandered ascetically in the deserts ... we owe much to the Hellenes... who borrowed some from the Persians , who borrowed some from the Assyrians and from the Babylonians and from Egyptians back back to ? ;-)

To: Neocon who wrote (15177)	6/1/2001 7:17:29 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

The Middle Way primarily addresses Siddharta's experience with extreme asceticism, and his realization that that too was a form of attachment, by over- emphasizing the importance of the material world. Please let us not forget that Siddartha for the first 33 yrs of his life was not an ascetic. He was born into royalty with all the privileges and finest extensive education of his time . much like your Aquinas...so he drew from the vantage points of both worlds . He was well grounded in meditation which is the chief tool of all who were wise to follow. You seem to think that the Dharmic road to Nirvanna is only a passionless one for some reason . The Tibetan Buddhist , the Dalai Lama ...does he seem passionless to you Neo? Man becoming detached from many of his own neurosis and addictions and attempting to be an original/ virtuous/compassionate/ participant in his own experience/Life and the discovery of compassion and reason, can tend in the end to offer moments of supreme satisfaction and insights that can be some of the most thrilling & fulfilling.<g> (tastes great , less filling ---> for Gao Seng) All things being equal ....the sense of sight next to the sense of feeling ,and the experience of insight/wisdom is basically shared by the atheist, agnostic, believer, peasant, king, emperor pope, messiah , prophet ... learning to use these powerful facilities is as good a place to start as any. First causes & being and all that.... ;-)