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Strategies & Market Trends : Steve's Channelling Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Eddy Blinker who wrote (17012)	6/3/2001 11:11:43 PM
From: Zeev Hed	Respond to of 30051

Eddy, I failed to understand the argument you were trying to make. Ben Gurion did not go back to a Kibbutz until very late in his life when he retired from the political arena. Historically, the movement of national liberation was "accidentally" started by one Theodore Herzel, late in the 19th century, and through negotiations rather than through force. From there on, the seeds of decolonialization could not stop. What is the connection to Belfast is beyond me. At that time, Arab tribes did not even think in terms of "national identity". By the end of WWI, the Middle East was carved into "national" entities with quite artificial borders in most cases (look at the borders, straight line like between Colorado and Utah without any attention to what the populations' national aspirations might be), and the Hashemite (originally a Saudi tribe) were installed in Jordan , Iraq and even Syria, if memory serves, by the British. The Kibbutz movement started a little earlier, the first, Deganya was formed (as a Kibbutz) in 1911, by idealists that wanted to emulate Moore's Utopia and also "normalize" the social structure of Jewish society which lacked then a strong agricultural basis, or for that matter "manual laborers strata". It became almost a religious zeal within the Kibbutz movement to do all the menial work by the members, without importing cheap labor from neighboring countries. It was partially on the grounds that such importation is "exploitation", and the founding members of the movement where strongly opposed to the "exploitation of the masses" (g). Zeev