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To: Charles R who wrote (43308)	6/7/2001 11:28:33 PM
From: ptanner	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

Charles, Re: "I believe there are Dual P4 Xeon servers and workstations shipping right now. May be you have an explanation for that." I think the P4 Xeons are a 2H01 product per Intel: Intel expects Intel Xeon-based workstations to achieve performance increases between 30 and 90 percent over systems featuring the Pentium® III Xeon processor, depending on applications and configurations. The company expects dual-processor server platforms based on the Intel Xeon processor to be available in the second half of 2001. intel.com I tried to find a P4 Xeon at Dell but didn't have any luck. I think we have only seen a product introduction as opposed to availability. -PT

To: Charles R who wrote (43308)	6/8/2001 12:50:36 AM
From: ptanner	Respond to of 275872

Re: Dual P4 Xeon WS I responded too soon. I searched Dell for Pentium 4 Xeon and also looked through the server category. I found some dual P4 Xeons here: dell.com Oddly enough it only seems to come in a mini-tower? -PT

To: Charles R who wrote (43308)	6/8/2001 3:49:00 AM
From: Petz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Chuck, your complaints about the server chips are ridiculous. They are faster than Intel's fastest and use much less power. The server launch is occuring exactly as I would have expected it. Starting with small manufacturers. To expect anything else is unrealistic if not impossible. If AMD had come out with these chips in December, the first big OEM would not announce a product on the first week or month of it's release. Do you think AMD management purposely delayed the server chip CPU's or the chipset? If not, and the delay is your biggest complaint, then you are not blaming management, you are blaming AMD's engineers. If you want to do that, fine, call a spade a spade and blame them: "AMD engineers suck because they took 6 months longer than I wanted them to." Petz

To: Charles R who wrote (43308)	6/8/2001 7:13:47 AM
From: Bill Jackson	Respond to of 275872

Charles, That is such a fatuous statement that "the customer is always right unless he does something illegal"? An illegal thing my be quite right for that customer and customers often do something stupid, now is that right? So it looks like arguments fail and platitudes rule?? People who have shipped p-4 xeons may have qualified them under NDA and thus have had advance final silicon from protoype runs for that purpose. Bill

To: Charles R who wrote (43308)	6/8/2001 7:26:18 AM
From: hmaly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Chuck Re..Retail or not. The customer is always right and the only exception that I am aware of is if the customer does something illegal. <<<<<<< I own my own company, and I know that that saying is vastly overrated. My experience with customers has been that it is better if you warn a customer that what he is attempting to do is not the best idea. If a customer insists upon doing it his way, then usually I go along with it. But there is also some liability, in that you can get sued for going along and doing something contrary to customary practices, legal or illegal. Usually I try to put a note in my bid and have the customer shoulder the responsibility. That said, I find that most people, when you explain your position, appreciate the advice; and good advice usually strenghtens your position to get a contract. The ones you lose, because the customer resents good advice, are ones which hurt you more than help quite often, as bad work for anyone can come back to haunt you.