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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1723)	6/8/2001 2:31:12 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

"Well... I'm afraid that's also the Jews' worldview! After all, what's the whole point of Zionism and the creation of Israel... If (some) Jews didn't feel victimized or degraded when working for a Gentile or an Arab... they'd have no need for a Jew-only country..." blah blah blah... Gus - everybody has that world view. "And don't tell me that a Jewish state was mandatory because of the Holocaust for many other minorities were also persecuted during WWII: unionists, gays, anarchists, gypsies, etc. didn't ask for a state of their own!" Gus you are making less and less sense all the time. Unionists, gays, anarchists, are not a nationality nor would they want a state, unionists are protected by laws and require capitalists. How would a gay state possibly survive into the future? They have special rights in most countries. Anarchists having their own state? That is funny, what would it be called??? The gypsies as a culture have special skills that require the existence of other nations to ply their trades in. "And, as a matter of fact, the Israeli state itself is no guarantee against future anti-Semitic violences..." Gus, I got news for you Arabs and Jews are both semites, close cousins, which do you hate more? Personally I think you hate the Arab but you have an axe to grind, right Gussy??? "Should another anti-Semitic genocide break out, Jews in America will likely feel much more secure than their Israeli brethren." A Jew or an Arab in America is an American, again you're confused. "Besides, Jews are back in town all over Europe --in Paris, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Milano, Moscow, Luxembourg,... and thriving. So tell me, what's been Israel's added value so far??" Well Gus I would rather have them in town than your goose stepping cousins. "That is, apart from the vainglory of boasting a 100%-Jewish social fabric." I can understand you're jealousy pretty soon the dominant faith in your own country will be Islam and you will be lucky to work for one selling kebab out of the back of an old van.

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1723)	6/8/2001 5:11:58 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 23908

So tell me, what's been Israel's added value so far?? As a major political hedge against Arab monarchical, or dictatorial power. Trivia question Gustave... Can you name one any Arab nations where foreigners have the same rights and equality as the native Arab population?? And here's another one. Name one Arab nation that can remotely be called a democracy... And then ask yourself, what has been the value to global stability, freedom, and peace, of dividing up the Ottoman Empire into imperial nation/states?? Because just as the Jewish homeland was an artificial creation, so were all of the other current Arab states. Hawk