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To: maceng2 who wrote (107897)	6/10/2001 3:54:27 AM
From: patron_anejo_por_favor	Respond to of 436258

<<The expression is ... rum, bum, and the lash. The British navy was famous for it>> Thanks for the clarification. I was always under the impression that Churchill had coined the phrase, but it sounds like it went back a lot further.... Nice photo of, err, Ibiza, also!<G>

To: maceng2 who wrote (107897)	6/10/2001 11:46:29 AM
From: abstract	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

I doubted your explanation of the phrase "son of a gun," so I looked it up. Here is what I found: Three centuries ago the expression described the son of a Gunner in a rather uncharitable way. In olden times, the 'train of artillery' always included camp followers, among them 'ladies of easy virtue' with whom Gunners, being human, were apt to form unblessed liaisons. There being neither pill nor condom in those days bad luck or carelessness inevitably 'brought forth illegitimate issue', as the more polite historians say. Now jealous members of the Infantry and Cavalry who did not enjoy the same 'home comforts', and as we know had a poor opinion of our ancient brethren in any case, would call the misbegotten infant a 'son of a gun', implying that not only was it a bastard of low estate but that its father was one also. Thanks for the education.