To: gamesmistress who wrote (451 ) 6/12/2001 1:10:28 AM From: Raymond Duray Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1715 Hi Gina, Thanks for the very thoughtful reply to my post. Re: Another feature of A. B. 1890 was payment to the utilities for all the money they had sunk in projects like abandoned nuclear plants. The government gave away $28 Billion to the bozoes in the utilities who created monstrously inappropriate "investments" and had the chutzpah to suggest that the consumer had to pay for lousy executive decisions. This same crowd, in their infinite arrogance is now asking for outrageous bonuses to be paid to these executives through the bankruptcy court. I've read that they are demanding up to $7.5 Million for an executive. This is outrageous. These guys ran PG&E into the dirt and now they want a bonus? A-mazing. The bankruptcy judge should just laugh them out of the courthouse. These executives have learned one lesson. Ask for outrageous amounts of money, for whatever inappropriate reason and often enough, the other side of the negotiation will cave in. It truly is a culture of arrogance and indifference to ethics in the executive suites of the utility/IPP/power marketer companies. Re: Also, I never understood why PG&E and SocCalEd would agree to those Spot market and Day-Ahead market prices which you accurately characterize as being the height of folly. It was part of a quid pro quo arrangement. The IPPs paid well over market value for the plants acquired after A.B. 1890 took effect. The utes got oodles of cash, which they promptly invested overseas, out of the region and provided an extraordinary dividend for the shareholders. In the meantime, the IPPs and power marketers rigged to prices so that the transmission and distribution arms of PG&E and International Edison went belly up. This was part of the plan to eliminate this low growth, unionized and regulated business from the utilities roster of businesses. So, it was a three-fer for the holding companies, which are in no danger of bankruptcy, are investing in non-union projects worldwide and who have quite elegantly solved a big problem they faced in their transition for regulated utility to rapacious uncontrolled market gamers and scamsters. Re: But IMO stability is best attained not by the government dictating "a fair profit" but leveling the playing field for competition and ensuring that consumers can get the information they need to make rational decisions. Gina, I'm more of an expert in telecom than in power, but I'll assure you that government failed miserably in its attempt with the 1996 Telecommunications Act to help to foster competition. Today, all the competitive local exchange carriers (CLECs) are in desperate shape. Most will go bankrupt, others bought out and only a mere handful may survive. The lesson here is that the government cannot help to create competition successfully. Government is a coercive force and not a nurturing force, generally, and so the best that I can see come of the California energy fiasco is that we will sensibly return to regulation and to telling utility companies when to get off.... their profiteering and swindling schemes. And to get on with providing adequate power at a fair price. Let me reiterate: So let me flip the question to you. If the absence of a "cost-plus" price for electricity means that the California economy is sent into recession and thousands of businesses and tens of thousands of households go BK, have we achieved a good result? Gina, you have a politicians knack for not answering the question. Let's try again. Is it a good thing that the Texas cabal sends thousands of otherwise viable businesses and households into bankruptcy for the sake of outsized profits? The answer is Yes or No.....Choose One. <smile> Best, Ray