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To: Jim McMannis who wrote (137216)	6/12/2001 4:21:39 PM
From: Tony Viola	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

I think GHZ does sell. How else can you explain anyone actually buying a Pentium 4? If it had the same benches it has at 1.7, at the same Mhz as the P3...who the heck would buy it? Maybe a movie editor. How about these apples? Toms benchmarks not good enough? To:Jim McMannis who wrote (137193) From: Tony Viola Tuesday, Jun 12, 2001 11:16 AM View Replies (4) \| Respond to of 137216 Jim, I read Tom's article on the overclocked Tualatin chip, some comments: He's concerned for Intel that the Tualatin at 1.419 GHz will show up the P4. However, the Tu was overclocked and the P4 wasn't. Also, P4 still beats both the Tu and Athlon anyway. I counted 4 first places for the P4, 2 for Tualatin and 1 for the Athlon. Tom must be cherrypicking benchmarks, the droids will say. Also, Tualatin is slated for notebooks and small servers AFAIK, not desktop. 1.5 volts, pretty good, although it sounds like he ran it at 1.6 for the benchmarks. Hey, I'd rather have two very competitive processors than see the enemy have two.

To: Jim McMannis who wrote (137216)	6/12/2001 4:53:40 PM
From: stak	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 186894

Jim , I agree with you that Gigahertz does sell. There are a few individuals who have shelled out for the P4s I know, although I've heard very lukewarm to disappointed comments about the actual performance. Have you heard even one person say that was the best $352 they've spent? Exactly how can one explain a sale of a P4 1.3 - 1.7 GHZ box at this time?!?!? The truth is that P4s haven't sold in anywhere near the volume that Intel needs to have, never mind what they desire to have. If P4s were even a tiny bit close to their projected sales targets, we would not see a debut of the 1.7 at $352. Three five two for the 1.7GHZ intro is a clear admission of the shit hitting the fan as far as P4 sales went . Plus there's a lot of factors stacked up against healthy processor sales in the second half this year. Yes sure a movie editor did actually buy one of the P4s. :P The price premium isn't worth the expense for most . He would have probably been alot happier with a spiffed monitor or a slightly more expensive vidcam. Unfortunately benches have almost no relevance as a reason to buy CPUs now. Having bandwidth is much more important than cpu speed for Mr. and Mrs. America. A quick show of hands out there. Who would give up their Cable or ADSL with a sluggish PIII 500 for a smoking P4 1.7 with a 56K modem? I'd say not enough to maintain historical ASPs. 100 or 200 or even 500 MHZ bumps in speed won't draw the shoppers in droves to the computer store anymore. As with hard drives, a few extra hundred megabytes (or MHZ) is not even noticeable. Sad but true. This is a very major shift in computing history, as was the subzero years ago. Megahertz sold. Gigahurtz don't. It just plain hurtz. Time to rerationalize the whole industry, particularly as far as capacity goes. You might have 200,000,000 apples but if no one wants to buy them you're just gonna have to find a warehouse to store them. Old strategies won't work going forward... stak

To: Jim McMannis who wrote (137216)	6/12/2001 5:13:45 PM
From: Paul Engel	Respond to of 186894

McPanic - re: "I think GHZ does sell. How else can you explain anyone actually buying a Pentium 4? " Simple - people who wnat the fastest computer that RUNS - and doesn't CRASH all the time !! Pentium 4 wins HANDS DOWN - while the AthWipers just go DOWN ! Paul